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Offline sybersitizen

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2009, 02:23:03 PM »
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Making a dual-horned guitar (especially of the stylized shapes of both the Fly and Dragonfly) require more hours of carving than a guitar with a single horn.

$1000+ seems like a high premium for a cutaway, although there's also the Parker vibrato to consider.

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Actually, the price of the Fly, Dragonfly, and Mojo Singlecut/PM60 seem somewhat reasonable to me after watching videos of the labor involved in baking the guitar.

No argument. The only reason I can have one is that the used market is so much more affordable. That's not always the case with a lot of other brands.

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2009, 02:31:22 PM »
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$1000+ seems like a high premium for a cutaway, although there's also the Parker vibrato to consider.



Maybe I'm missing some info here... Which Singlecuts are you referring to?

The Fly is anywhere from $2700-$3300 while the PM-60 is about $3150. That's from $400 dollars less to $150 more.

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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2009, 02:36:54 PM »
If labor costs are the main factor that drives prices then they should move production to asia. They need jobs, too!  Perhaps they even have a decent quality control there. Frankly with that price-tag on the guitar it feels like a rip-off to me.
 

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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2009, 02:42:51 PM »
I'm seeing new Fly Mojo Single Cuts right now from some US sources for $2k or a bit more. Here are a couple:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FlyMojoSCNM/

http://www.amazon.com/Parker-Fly-Mojo-Single-Flame/dp/B000M7IRYW

(I have not figured out the variations of the single cut product line since I'm not drawn to that guitar; so I might be missing some important considerations.)

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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2009, 02:45:09 PM »
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If labor costs are the main factor that drives prices then they should move production to asia. They need jobs, too!  Perhaps they even have a decent quality control there. Frankly with that price-tag on the guitar it feels like a rip-off to me.



Well, they already have the Asian-built P-series and I felt those were a pretty good value. My American-made Parker is still the better instrument, however, in terms of sound, playability, and weight.

Forgive my ignorance but what is the price range from the least expensive Parker (P-series) to the most expensive non-signature (e.g. Fly Artist) in Euros right now?

And for comparison's sake, what is the European price for a Paul Reed Smith (non-SE) and, say, the Music Man/Ernie Ball guitar ranges?

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2009, 02:54:15 PM »
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I'm seeing new Fly Mojo Single Cuts right now from some US sources for $2k or a bit more. Here are a couple:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FlyMojoSCNM/

http://www.amazon.com/Parker-Fly-Mojo-Single-Flame/dp/B000M7IRYW

(I have not figured out the variations of the single cut product line since I'm not drawn to that guitar; so I might be missing some important considerations.)

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Hah! Yeah... The Fly Mojo Singlecut was discontinued and has morphed into the PM-60. Those instruments you see there are new-old-stock and priced to clear out inventory. I actually wish I had an extra $2000 sitting around to grab that one from Sweetwater!

The Fly Mojo Singlecut has no piezo pickup and a simpler, passive electronics scheme. The Fly Mojo Singlecuts up until at least 2007 had the signature Fly headstock, too, but that was replaced with the "traditional" headstock at some point (the Sweetwater example is like that). The PM-60 has "ghost" piezo pickups, active electronics, and (in my opinion) a really dumb name -I mean, why name a USA-made Parker in the same way as the import series?

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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2009, 03:08:18 PM »
You can get a Music Man Luke/Steve Morse/John Petrucci starting at around 2000 EUR. You can get a non-SE PRS starting at 1400 EUR (Mira), a PRS CE costs 1600 EUR, PRS Custom 2400 EUR with the line going up to almost 4000 EUR. The Parker line starts at 300 EUR for a P-42 MB going up to 800 EUR for a P44 Pro NM. Niteflys are 1100 to 1900 EUR depending on the model and wood/finish. Flys start at 2300 going up to 2800 for certain Fly Mojos. Custom models are above that tapping into the 3000 range. The Belew is 7700 EUR.
 

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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2009, 03:13:30 PM »
too high indeed. Consider that PRS have a big name like Santana behind, Parker doesn't.

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2009, 03:21:19 PM »
Prices for PRS guitars are outrageous, too. I'm willing to pay for quality, which I can get elsewhere for much less money. They've definitely crossed a psychological price treshold with the Dragonfly. I don't see it becoming more than a pure luxury item for guitar snobs.
 

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2009, 03:25:22 PM »
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You can get a Music Man Luke/Steve Morse/John Petrucci starting at around 2000 EUR. You can get a non-SE PRS starting at 1400 EUR (Mira), a PRS CE costs 1600 EUR, PRS Custom 2400 EUR with the line going up to almost 4000 EUR. The Parker line starts at 300 EUR for a P-42 MB going up to 800 EUR for a P44 Pro NM. Niteflys are 1100 to 1900 EUR depending on the model and wood/finish. Flys start at 2300 going up to 2800 for certain Fly Mojos. Custom models are above that tapping into the 3000 range. The Belew is 7700 EUR.



Mmmm... that is a bit more expensive (2300 EUR= 3390 USD). In the US, the Deluxe and the Mojo are about the same price ($2500-4000 USD) depending on the type of top you order. They are, though, comparably priced with the PRS Customs in both places which, at least for me, is where the comparison is most equal. Gosh, where is that extra $$$ going when it crosses the Atlantic? Tariffs? Distributor premiums? Shouldn't the stronger Euro make American-made guitars more affordable?

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2009, 03:44:32 PM »
Specifically a question for you folks from Europe, what do you consider not "outrageous" or not too high a price?

When I started guitar shopping this year I went with the usual suspects (Fender, Gibson, etc...) at a certain price-point (sub-$1000 USD). Then I made the mistake of playing a Music Man Axis which raised the bar and then I tried a PRS Custom 24 which further raised the bar. When I happened upon the Fly Mojo Singlecut I simply could not find a better guitar for less money (the only better-sounding guitar than it was the PRS). The $2000 I paid for my Mojo Singlecut was the lowest I could spend to get that level of tone and playability. Before I went and played them, I thought the prices for PRS Customs and Parker Flys were also outrageous but after auditioning guitar after guitar I realized there was a reason the prices were so high and I couldn't get it for cheaper.

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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2009, 03:48:05 PM »
Reliability. New Parkers showed to have a good number of problems. And lack of support in Europe.
This is enough not to justify the 3k Eur price tag.
And yes, custom duties are heavy, so, importing guitars from USA, is not cheap at all.

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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2009, 07:33:38 AM »
This link gives me hope.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PDF44VBC/

This stripped down dragonfly has the same fingerboard (phenolic) used on the lower end washburn wm526 models. It seems they are headed in washburn's direction. On top of everything the floyd equipped dragonfly (not Vernon Reid's sig) looks like a wm526 clone. Heres hoping they get priced the same.

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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2009, 07:53:50 AM »
what is that? a P-series???

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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2009, 02:49:26 PM »
No photo on the ad?

Well I guess part of the "secret" is out of the bag.

Maybe we could call over to Sweetwater...

How does one keep track of all these WashBarkers anyway?

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