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Offline wkcchampion

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Balance wheel in time (curiosity)
« on: January 03, 2010, 04:39:38 AM »
I'm asking this just as curiosity as it's really a non-issue.

I noticed that I had to loosen a bit the wheel on my mojo, as the tuning tended to became sharp (especially after whammy use) in Balanced mode. The problem got solved immediately by just loosening it a bit.

My curiosity is: does the spring accumulate tension over time? Or do the strings gradually lose tension as they wear out?
I mean, what may have caused this? Weather change? String or spring wear?
Thank you

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 09:42:41 AM »

The Fly is not completely immune to effects of temperature. But because the neck is covered in a composite on both sides the neck stays straight just changing length ever so slightly of course the strings also react maybe more than the neck. In any case when you pick the guitar up at ambient temperature it will be slightly out of tune from where it was at the end of your last playing session and will change as it warms up. tweaking the spring tension with the wheel can adjust all the strings together which might be good enough and as you play and they go down in pitch tweaking the spring tension up again might just compensate. But you have to be careful doing this if you forget and one time teak the wheel and the next time turn the tuners you may find over time that the spring is no longer adjusted properly.
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 12:02:31 PM »
No alex, I always play the guitar at home so it never exited the door recently...

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« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 12:41:38 PM by wkcchampion »
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 12:35:44 PM »
strings loose tension over time. Different brands exert different pulls etc.
 

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2010, 12:42:06 PM »
Yeah, I thought that too. Thanks Terry

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 01:54:58 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by wkcchampion

No alex, I always play the guitar at home so it never exited the door recently...

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No Marco...When did I say anything about existing any door?

The guitar warms up by simply holding it and playing it and working the strings.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 02:26:43 PM »
Yes you're right, but this happens every time I played it. The strings tension gradually decreased. So perhaèps it's just a natural phenomenon related to the strings wear, isn't it?

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2010, 05:10:36 AM »
What else? Strings change with temperature and of course strings lose tension over time. With every strum and every bend. Otherwise there would be no need for fine tuners on a double locking tremolo.

If you are David Gilmour your strings will wear much faster BTW. [;)]

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2010, 05:14:30 AM »
Unfortunately, I'm not :(

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 07:33:57 AM »
Off subject a bit but... just to beat a dead horse...I have noticed more fret buzz lately. Could that be from worn strings?

Strings loosen with age...could cause buzz but when we notice Strings go flat...

We break out the tuner and increase the tension back to what it used to be.


Point is, isn't it hard to blame looser/buzzier strings on string wear if you are in tune?


I guess there is another phenomena at play. "Bounce back". That is new strings will stretch and then "recoil" back to original length. Worn strings may not. But as long as they are in tune, the tension should be the same. Its hard for me to see where worn strings in tune can cause increased fret buzz. But I hope its true as I may have a similar issue. I guess I'll change strings and find out. Seems to me that old strings would have less buzz as they dont stretch as much.

I think my ear is just getting pickier and hearing buzz I didnt hear before. Or my pick attack is harder now. ??

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2010, 07:41:34 AM »
Is the buzz hearable when amplified? If it's not just don't care

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2010, 09:39:30 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Bill

I have noticed more fret buzz lately. Could that be from worn strings?

Well, I use extra lights with very low action and have sometimes kept the same strings on my SG for years. Never noticed any increased buzzing with age. Just 'twang loss'.

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 09:46:55 AM »
but the SG has fixed birdge, hasn't it?

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2010, 10:11:41 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by wkcchampion

but the SG has fixed birdge, hasn't it?

Some SGs do, but they also came with at least four different vibratos. Mine has the Maestro 'Lyre' version like this:



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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2010, 01:52:44 PM »
oh that's a real beauty! It looks similar to Angus's one! Isn't his called "The vibrola"?

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POD X3 Pro
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My Fly bridge setup guide:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-bURNmuDq2-a0VPd3lPZldwVmc/view?usp=sharing

Pearl White 2008 Fly Mojo (Fralin PUs)
"Eldy" / Majik Blue 1995 Fly Deluxe (Gen1 PUs)
Various vintage and modern Marshall/Vox/Laney amps
Rockman + other rack stuff
Boss GT-100