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Offline sybersitizen

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« on: March 18, 2010, 08:53:47 PM »
I've been bugging blackfly to provide some photos, and here they are. (He contacted me offline and I offered to host them until he gets set up with his own account.)

I'm definitely pleased and impressed to see these. So, Alan, tell us more! And tell us about that last name of yours - coincidence?







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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2010, 09:18:09 PM »
So did I miss something?  What's the story.  Was this bass built by Ken Parker and is he a relative?  Seems strange that a relative of Ken's would frequent this forum.  If for no other reason just out of loyalty to Ken.  Where is Ken's label/sig on the bass?  Sorry for being so skeptical.  Just so many stories have been told here.  And the Cedar Deluxe.  Would it not be more like an Artist than a Deluxe?  I don't think Ken would call a Cedar fly a deluxe.

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2010, 10:14:24 PM »
Cedar neck, poplar body? CP. Cedar Deluxe. I would have thought Cedar too soft for a neck but I guess the carbon exoskeleton unibody takes care of that.

Looks like KP to me. I think he tries different woods early on. We know about the Redwoods.

Yeah the bass looks like a very early KP to me too although I wouldn't really call it a Fly.

Very cool on both counts.

Just because someone might be related doesn't mean its disrespectful to drop in.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2010, 10:25:25 PM »
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Offline sybersitizen

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 10:25:41 PM »
A close-up showing detail:



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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 10:36:51 PM »
The pickups look very much like the ones on my '69 Gibson EB3, and the tuners also look like what Gibson was using circa early '70s.

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2010, 04:10:59 AM »
Cool! Prehistoric Fly Bass! [;)]

Greetings...
Nef

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2010, 06:26:20 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Bill

Check it out.

http://www.thelowend.net/gallery/viewtopic.php?t=927&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

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I have seen this one before Bill and it is obviously KP and a predecessor to the Fly.  That bass actually had a lower horn and it either broke off or was cut off, I can't remember which.  

I don't see Ken's design genius or workmanship in blackfly's bass.  

I also wouldn't call my fly "cedar" just because its neck is cedar.  That's misleading.  I don't refer to my bastogne fly as a basswood fly.  It is obviously a pre-refined fly.  Hard tail at that.
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2010, 06:28:06 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by sybersitizen

The pickups look very much like the ones on my '69 Gibson EB3, and the tuners also look like what Gibson was using circa early '70s.

'01 Fly Deluxe|'69 SG Standard



Tuners look new to me.  Not 27 years old.

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2010, 07:07:43 AM »
In 1973 I guess Ken would have been a teenager.

Who knows, but it certainly is possible.

And on the other hand,why would anyone care enough to make it up ?

I have no idea either way, but on the other, other hand, why would it matter enough to anyone to doubt it?

I have been studying existential guitar theory way too long.
I meant to practice playing yesterday, but then again, What does it really matter anyway ??[:I]

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2010, 07:22:33 AM »
I did a little research. Took 5 minutes:Page 88 New Yorker article:

"After graduating from high school, in 1970, Parker spent the better part of a year at Goddard, an alternative college
in northern Vermont. He took a class in furniture-building and made a fretless bass for his brother Alan
"

Welcome brother BlacksheepFly.



http://www.kenparkerarchtops.com/NewYorkerArticle.pdf

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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2010, 09:24:25 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by cy2989

quote:
Originally posted by Bill

Check it out.

http://www.thelowend.net/gallery/viewtopic.php?t=927&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

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I have seen this one before Bill and it is obviously KP and a predecessor to the Fly.  That bass actually had a lower horn and it either broke off or was cut off, I can't remember which.


You haven't done your homework. That other well-known bass had a detachable lower bout, something similar to what we see on the bass above. Ken reportedly made it that way so he could experiment with different bout designs.

PS: It's perfectly natural to have doubts about identities and the authenticity of rare instruments, but your posts could be a bit more polite about it. If blackfly were offering the bass for sale, that would absolutely justify rock solid confirmation of everything. Since he's not, and since he could be a great source of interesting Parker history, you might think about getting an apology ready - just in case.

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2010, 09:45:40 AM »
I have no reason to doubt that it is Ken's work and it has many clues that I would have guessed it to be Ken's if not told. I would love to know more especially if he started with a found object for that leg support.
Alex

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2010, 09:40:44 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by sybersitizen

quote:
Originally posted by cy2989

quote:
Originally posted by Bill

Check it out.

http://www.thelowend.net/gallery/viewtopic.php?t=927&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

A few Flys in my soup



I have seen this one before Bill and it is obviously KP and a predecessor to the Fly.  That bass actually had a lower horn and it either broke off or was cut off, I can't remember which.


You haven't done your homework. That other well-known bass had a detachable lower bout, something similar to what we see on the bass above. Ken reportedly made it that way so he could experiment with different bout designs.

PS: It's perfectly natural to have doubts about identities and the authenticity of rare instruments, but your posts could be a bit more polite about it. If blackfly were offering the bass for sale, that would absolutely justify rock solid confirmation of everything. Since he's not, and since he could be a great source of interesting Parker history, you might think about getting an apology ready - just in case.

'01 Fly Deluxe|'69 SG Standard




I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone and I apologize right now if anyones feelings are hurt.  The story just sounds fishy to me, that's all.  If I'm wrong then I'm wrong and that would be cool.  As Bill pointed out, the background to the story was easy to get.  Took Bill five minutes and I've read that story too years ago.  I guess as long as these instruments don't show up for sale there would be no reason to fabricate the story.  It will be interesting to see.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2010, 06:26:55 AM »
On the other, other , other hand,

If Alan ever wants to sell that suspicious old Cedar Deluxe, all I got to say is


FIRST DIBBS [:p] [:p] [:p] [:p]


And I wont even care who believes the story or not.


Nice guitar, man.

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