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gsr4ever

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How to mute the piezos in a live setting?
« on: November 30, 2010, 07:57:02 AM »
Dear all,

I have been playing various Parkers in stereo mode for years. However recently I just began switching guitars during the sets and whether I connect another guitar to the original Parker Y-stereo cable (not the wimpy ones of later days) or unplug the stereo cable completely to go into my board MONO with a regular cable the PA system (naturally) reacts with a loud (and dangerous!) pop.
Since this is not only annoying for the audience and engineer but also time consuming live I wonder how to MUTE the piezos at my end. Of course I could buy another tuner to do so but to have two tuners (one just for muting) seems ridiculous.
My gear is setup so the magnetic pups go through my pedalboard into my amp while the piezos hit a SANSAMP Acoustic DI (where I control my acoustic sound on my own) before they are fed into the PA via XLR.

My idea is to have just a passive "mute" pedal. Couple days ago I bought a mini switcher which can also used as a muter however whenever I kick this the loud "pop" occurs - same thing as just unplugging.
Any ideas on devices which could work? Your help is highly appreciated! Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 08:59:17 AM »
Try putting the tuner on the piezo side. I think it works better on the piezos as well.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2010, 09:07:43 AM »
Thanks Alex, but that's also just a workaround.
In this case however I will have to put the amp on standby to avoid the same kind of noise once I unplug the mags'pups cable. Also the tuner then would NOT be available for any standard guitar since even if I leave in the stereo cable the tip/ring config prevents this.
Duh! [;)]

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Try putting the tuner on the piezo side. I think it works better on the piezos as well.

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 01:02:39 PM »
maybe you can mod your mini switcher to be "silent?"  Usually this is done with a few extra components or a 3pdt switch.

Craig Anderton had some projects regarding pop elimination and there should be similar schematics available on any of the stompbox sites.

this might be a good starting point:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/geekslutz-forum/54589-silent-switching-mod-gtr-pedals.html

Might be worth making a "dummy" pedal that's a "silent" kill switch, which is what I think you're suggesting?

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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 01:12:51 PM »
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Might be worth making a "dummy" pedal that's a "silent" kill switch, which is what I think you're suggesting?


That is exactly my thoughts. I would just build a little pedal that has a switch that connects the signal to ground. It could even be a momentary type so you don't forget that you muted your signal while changing stuff (it's happened to me before).

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 02:39:13 PM »
The BOSS LS-2 would work.


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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 02:53:25 PM »
I second the Boss.  It should kill the pop, and has other uses if you ever change your rig.

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 07:16:38 AM »
Wow! Thank you all - first of all.
Billy/Paul: do you guys know of existing devices of such kind? Or from anyone who can build such thing?
THe LS2 is somehow out of the game since I actually thought of a passive unit with the smallest possible footprint. But I'll look up their website for specs.
Again thanks!

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 08:25:48 AM »
Ah, passive, I forgot about that part. Also try Analogman.com. They can custom build you one but it usually takes 2-3 days to get an answer back via email because the same guys building pedals are answering emails.


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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 09:05:43 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by gsr4ever

Wow! Thank you all - first of all.
Billy/Paul: do you guys know of existing devices of such kind? Or from anyone who can build such thing?


That's super easy to build. I could build you one if you can't find something pre-existing for such a purpose.

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 09:13:48 AM »
Maybe this?   http://forums.parkerguitars.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10615

There are also cable ends that have a small mechanical switch in the end that is engaged when you plug it into the guitar. I haven't found the web site yet but I will look again... They would require you to modify your stereo cable.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 09:13:58 AM »
Well how cool is that? Than take this as an order! I'll contact you directly then.
THX
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quote:
Originally posted by gsr4ever

Wow! Thank you all - first of all.
Billy/Paul: do you guys know of existing devices of such kind? Or from anyone who can build such thing?


That's super easy to build. I could build you one if you can't find something pre-existing for such a purpose.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 09:40:24 AM »
Hi! Well, I contacted Planet Waves directly and they couldn't help since the breaker circuit should in my case be at the stereo end of the cable, in the angled plug which apparently can't be done.
I'd love that.
quote:
Originally posted by spider

Maybe this?   http://forums.parkerguitars.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10615

There are also cable ends that have a small mechanical switch in the end that is engaged when you plug it into the guitar. I haven't found the web site yet but I will look again... They would require you to modify your stereo cable.

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And a bunch of other guitars that aren't getting played any more...


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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 10:35:39 AM »
My idea is to stick a "mute box" in series with the cable going to the PA or acoustic amp. Would that work for you?

EDIT: Or I could make a "stereo mute box" between a TRS cable from the guitar and the Y-cord. Either one is possible, but the stereo one is a little harder to do because it's hard to find DPDT momentary stompbox style switches. But if a regular type switch would do, that's easily done.

EDIT #2: Or, as billy suggests, I could also incorporate a mute switch into a flyBOB.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 10:40:52 AM »
might be very cool to combine it with a fly bob...  [;)]

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