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Offline macmedic

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« on: February 16, 2011, 10:09:08 AM »
I have been a player since 1966 (yes you are seeing correctly). I played with "The Spinners" for three years and when they took time off to do a new album I started mixing live national acts. along the way I played for all of the classic Motown acts plus people like Anita Baker, Patty Labelle. I have used most of the real guitar amps out there and discovered a long time ago that tone is far more important than sheer volume. The reason I am posting is that I just purchased the most amazing guitar amp I have ever known.
In my life I only saw and played a guitar amp made by one man and that was when I met the late Ken Fisher in 1991. His hand made amps were called "Trainwreck" amps. Like a idiot I didn't act and get one. I always had a reason not to make the jump. People in life always say it's good enough. Hmmm that kinda sounds like well you have known many people who say stupid stuff like that. My friend in Nashville, Tom Hemby put me on the road to real tone when I saw the gear he uses. Last week I was in Philly and a player I know from Nashville was in town with his roadie (yes I said roadie) His amp head rack had three heads, all class A. A Matchless, a Bad Cat and a Dr Z. I played the entire rig and needed a change of underwear. Then I found out the other guitar player had a "Divided By 13"(http://www.dividedby13.com/)combo (the 10-20 watt model). All of the amps were low watt class A units. When I played the Divided By 13 it was over. It turns out I know the man who makes them and his name is Fred Taccone. He is a New York transplant to the west coast and yes he is a manufacturing plant of one man. These amps are hand made, and hand wired, point to point pieces of art.
The unit coming to me is the EDT 13/29. 13 watts in class A and 29 watts in class AB. It only has Vol (push pull for extra boost) treble and bass plus a monster spring reverb. The unit has a tiny toggle switch in the back to dampen the Celestion speaker for bedroom use. BTW anyone who thinks ten to thirteen watts in not enough to play think again. These amps are really monsters and can keep up on most stages. One would normally mic a amp anyway, but it's the tone. I'll say it again "The Tone".
What got me on the Trainwereck Amps was how simple they were in operation. Divided By 13 is the same way. Remember the KISS principle. In closing when I played the amp I thought that in my life there are not many more Greyhounds coming into my bus station that I was going first class. No they are not inexpensive, but Ken fishers amps are going from 30-50k now when I could have had one for around 1400.00. I was soooo stupid, but now I am done with guitar amps. I did a few Arrowsmith tours and contacted Brad Whitford and he told me he never used a amp as good as a Divided By 13 and has had his in hard use for over seven years only to just buy replacement units and send his original amps back to Fred to referb. BTW he never changed one tube in that tine period.
I know these amps are expensive, but if your willing to work for a goal you will get there and the tone is well worth it. Well enough of my rambling I hope I answered your questions. BTW I hope the new year holds promise and good stuff for one and all.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2011, 10:23:49 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 11:09:57 AM »
I use a TW clone by Ceriatone. Not the real thing, but only about 1/50th of the price [:)]. GREAT amp!!

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 04:43:13 PM »
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Originally posted by captain_rusty

I use a TW clone by Ceriatone. Not the real thing, but only about 1/50th of the price [:)]. GREAT amp!!

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+1 on Ceriatone.  I use the Dumble Clone and I've managed to AB it with various recordings of known Dumble (Robben Ford, for example) and got it within 2% of the tone using my DF 824 Custom.

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 08:56:51 PM »
Ken Fisher's Trainwreck amps were of three models: Express, Liverpool, and Rocket.  I've been interested in the Express after hearing Glen Kuykendall's demonstrations of it online.  

I would like to read of a side-by-side comparison of the /13 amp and a quality replica Express build.  I've been acquiring parts to do the Express build (stumbled across the proper iron for a steal), but considering the resale value of a homebuilt Express vs. a /13, should they be comparable I might go the /13 route.  

To my knowledge this is the first example I've read of a Parker player interested in these styles of amps, so any thoughts from Warren would be much appreciated.  

 

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 06:18:42 AM »
I have an Express and a Rocket both are clones from a very well respected amp builder who has copied the originals. Both are terrific amps. The Rocket is one of the most useful amps sounds amazing clean or dirty. The Express is a beast hard to control but if you can it is super expressive due to the how touch sensitive it is.

I have heard the /13 amps I think they are over rated. I think they caught fire due to the users more than the sound while the Ken Fisher Trainwreaks are true works of genius. A home made Trainwreak may or may not be a success and even if it is you'll have less invested except for time and it will be worth little in resale. The /13 has resale value as long as it is the "hot thing" on the market I think those days are over so don't over pay. My local store has examples in stock on the shelf a couple years ago people waited for them for months.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 09:45:41 AM »
I've heard people playing Divided by 13 and Trainwreck amps but can't say I've ever had the opportunity to play through one myself.  I do own a handbuilt class A Plexi clone and have to say that I'm sold on the concept.  There's definitely a responsiveness and definition I don't find in amps with A/B designs.

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 10:30:59 AM »
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Originally posted by macmedic

BTW anyone who thinks ten to thirteen watts in not enough to play think again. These amps are really monsters and can keep up on most stages. One would normally mic a amp anyway, but it's the tone.


Yeah, that's right. It takes 10 times the power of the 10 watt amp to be twice as loud. So in other words, a 100 watt amp is only twice as loud as a 10 watt amp. Doubling the power only gets you about 3dB, which is not much at all.

Anyway, I prefer the tone of lower wattage amps that you are pushing a bit, especially if they have an alnico speaker.

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2011, 12:05:27 PM »
Love my TW Rocket clone.

The cleans are so good I even prefer to play my acoustic through it.

I've had it a couple years now and am still discovering things about it.

The only thing I don't like is that I don't want to take it out anywhere.

By todays standards, its big , heavy, and just too precious to me to risk carting it around.

I have another class A all tube 7watt amp thats cute as a button and also sounds very good, just not as complex.

My sound is not limited by my equipment. Just by my ability. In that way I am lucky I guess --but wish I could say its the other way around.



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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 08:22:17 AM »
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I've heard people playing Divided by 13 and Trainwreck amps but can't say I've ever had the opportunity to play through one myself.  I do own a handbuilt class A Plexi clone and have to say that I'm sold on the concept.  There's definitely a responsiveness and definition I don't find in amps with A/B designs.

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I am sorry but there is no such a thing. Marshall Plexis were never class A amps, hell AC30s aren't class A amps. They were all class A/B designs as 99% of the amps on the market. You are either being sold a sales line which isn't true or it is not a Plexi copy.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2011, 08:33:41 AM »
That's right, an AC-30 is not a Class A amp like is commonly believed.

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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2011, 09:48:17 AM »
I should clarify: it's a class A power section with a Plexi tone-stack.  I guess you could say it's the best of both worlds.  I had a choice of a class A or an A/B section and opted for the former.  The overall voicing of the amp is still very much like a Marshall.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 07:43:15 AM »
Forgive me for me being such a stickler on this but as a collector of old Marshalls and builder of clones this does bug me. I think too many amp makers dress up their sound by associating it with classic tones and either don't know what they are talking about or don't care.

The Marshall tone made famous by the Plexi in the late 60s was generated by amp run at or near 10 on the volume. At that point the phase inverter tube generates a good deal of the distortion. The phase inverter tube is part of the power section and is the tube responsible for dividing the wave form into two parts the upper half goes to one power tube the lower half goes to another power tube. This is the very definition of an A/B power section. Without the Phase inverter tube doing this job and amp may be emulating a Marshall sound but it is not a clone. The tone stack is not the major contributor to the Marshall sound. Marshall actually copied early Fender Bassman but the Marshall sound didn't come to its own till the power section was redesigned with English power tubes and altered impedance of the output transformer. How a builder can associate a class A amp with the Marshall sound is a mystery to me.

I have a class A Valco amp and it has a great sound so I don't doubt your amp may sound terrific but it does not sound like a Marshall. Of course if you think a Line 6 sounds like a Marshall than I suppose your amp sounds like a Marshall too. Without the power section of a Marshall it is no closer to being a Marshall than the Line 6.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2011, 08:09:36 AM »
Actually I'm the one who called it a Marshall clone, the builder simply offered different combinations of tone-stacks and power sections.  So, perhaps calling it a Plexi clone is a misnomer on my part.

I had it built specifically for recording, 5 watts was plenty of power and I opted to go with a class A design.  I've owned my share of older Marshalls over the years and while the amp may not exactly emulate a classic Plexi, the overall sound resembles a Marshall more than say a Boogie or Fender.  Since I also use it with either a Fulltone OCD or a Keeley Katana, the distortion is a combinaton of OD and the power tubes.

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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2011, 01:40:08 PM »
I have to say that while "clone" may not be the right choice of word, a preamp designed for a "Marshall-esque" sound is a valid description. I mean the "British" patch on a Line6 is a "Marshall-esque" sound trying to emulate a Marshall. Marshall has a distinct gain structure that is difference than say Fender or Mesa etc etc. So I am guessing Martin ordered a "Marshall-esque" preamp. And I'm sure it sounds like a Marshall variant versus a Mesa or Trainwreck variant. I mean even cheap Valvestate amps have a Marshall sound and gain structure. Anyone hearing it would agree it's a crappy sounding Marshall. haha.
 
While I would not associate a Marshall with class A circuits, I wouldn't limit the "Marshall sound" to just what the power section is doing. The preamp has a whole heck of lot to do with it. I've read that the way Marshall sends EQ in the preamp has a lot to do with the Marshall sound(sorry not internet links to back that up). That is why they've been able to have a fairly consistent flavor of OD and distortion for years and years.

So Alex, would you be OK with an non Marshall clone amp being described as "British flavor" or "Marshall-esque" as long as it wasn't sold as a clone or copy??

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