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Offline lucgravely

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« on: April 15, 2011, 08:45:40 AM »
I talked my brother into a P8E acoustic. He really loves it, and has used it weekly for church for about a year as his main guitar. Pictures are posted in the show us your Parker section.

Well, lately he's been having intonation issues. Fast forward a little and we're in the studio and can't get the intonation right to get a good recording. So on closer examination the first 3 frets are worn out and need a crown and polish or a refret.

So I'm not complaining here. Just stating facts. My real topic for discussion is this.... Since these are Korean made, what alloy was used and why is it so soft? (he used an Ovation daily for 5-6 years before the same amount of wear became apparent)

Also, I'd suggest in the future that Parker contract their imports to use SS frets. Even on acoustics. It would be the best way to prevent wear and get a higher quality product. (my brother is re-fretting the ovation with SS as we speak)

Anyone else experience this? I'm so glad the DF and RF series' are using SS frets.

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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 09:30:15 AM »
If you ask me, Ken Parker had the right idea with using very hard stainless steel frets. They simply don't wear out. At least not for a very, very long time.

The problem for manufacturers is that stainless steel is VERY hard on any tools. It will wear them out really fast. And of course, the other factor is the cost of the frets themselves.

I would guess that the people making these things overseas are trying to increase profits on their end by using the cheapest possible frets. Unfortunately, that translates into something prematurely wearing out for the end user. [:(][:(!][V]

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 01:54:53 PM »
I am talking my brother into re-fretting with SS. the estimate we got was $400. Which is about right, but man.... he just barely paid 2x that for the guitar!

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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 02:31:14 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by lucgravely

I am talking my brother into re-fretting with SS. the estimate we got was $400. Which is about right, but man.... he just barely paid 2x that for the guitar!


Well... it sounds like he likes it if the frets wore out that quickly - he must play it a lot. If he ever goes to sell it, he probably won't get a return on his investment. [B)]

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 04:17:24 PM »
Yeah, he's a player when it comes to acoustics. His Ovation Custom Legend is being re-fretted as we speak. It has a sticker over a cracked finish in the top, and he played the crap outta that thing for a decade. It was $2000 new and he'd be lucky to get $400 out of it now. So he's definitely ok with beaters as long as they play and sound good. Resale is no big deal with a "keeper". kinda like my under valued Flys. ;)

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 04:25:25 PM »
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Originally posted by lucgravely

Yeah, he's a player when it comes to acoustics. His Ovation Custom Legend is being re-fretted as we speak. It has a sticker over a cracked finish in the top, and he played the crap outta that thing for a decade. It was $2000 new and he'd be lucky to get $400 out of it now. So he's definitely ok with beaters as long as they play and sound good. Resale is no big deal with a "keeper". kinda like my under valued Flys. ;)


I can't tell you how many Ovations I have seen with cracked tops. Almost every one I have ever seen had one, here in Las Vegas anyway. I think it must be because the soundboard expands/contracts and the back doesn't.

Anyway, they do sound pretty good plugged in. Al Di Meola has a really nice Ovation.

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 07:22:39 PM »
Ovation has one sound, a GOOD piezo sound. I've never heard them do anything else. Mic'd is bad. Deep bowls didn't help in my opinion. The crack is just like you say, the top and plastic coefficients don't come close to matching. Now the playability? This top line Ovations play with very very low action. Quite an amazing thing for an acoustic!

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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 10:39:05 PM »
A couple years ago someone advertised a prototype P8E for sale on eBay and I got all excited, figuring it was a one-of-a-kind lovingly handmade collectible. I bought it and took it to an experienced, highly reputable guitar dealer, and asked for an appraisal of it by the co-owner, who has written The book, shall we say, on Martins.

He kind of went ballistic. At least on that guitar--can't say for the production model--the top bracing was inadequate, the whole top had been clearcoated before the bridge had been glued on and it was starting to lift, and there may have been some other issues but he figured the thing would implode in short order. Beautiful sound, I thought, and playability, and cool hardshell case...I sold it at a loss ASAP.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 08:59:38 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by lucgravely

Ovation has one sound, a GOOD piezo sound. I've never heard them do anything else. Mic'd is bad. Deep bowls didn't help in my opinion. The crack is just like you say, the top and plastic coefficients don't come close to matching. Now the playability? This top line Ovations play with very very low action. Quite an amazing thing for an acoustic!


Yeah, the only way that they sound good is plugged in. They do typically have a pretty nice action, too.

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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2011, 06:43:58 AM »
I had the same problem with my p10e, I just used it a ton. I found that I just played too hard, the problem was partly the frets but mostly me, I just pressed too hard. Problem now fixed. I wore out my PM-20pro in under 4 months called Parker and they are going to replace the nickel with SS for a really low price once I get back to the states. If it was still under warranty he should have or still should call into Parker. I have been very lucky with the customer service.

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