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Offline joedreamliner787

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« on: July 18, 2011, 09:31:46 AM »
Hi guys I have done a ghost mod in my 98 fly deluxe with the original ribbon cable and pcb and everything works great! I developed
a tutorial for those wishing to do the mod that have original circuitry installed.
For my application I choose not to use the acoustiphonic but rather use my fishman piezo PCB. I had retained
full functionality of all controls including being able to blend and mix with piezo, mags, and midi!
I did not use a midi volume pot and simple just use the level on my midi converter. By using your existing piezo saddles
you will save a considerable amount of money

WHAT YOU WILL NEED
1: A whole lot of patience and time so grab a bite to eat while your at it
2: Send the wife shopping for the day with a few hundred bucks anyway let's get to it
3: Call graph tec and tell them you would like to purchase 6 of the pigtail harnesses that
   you will be soldering to the piezos. Talk to Morgan in Tech if you call and he/she doesn't know.
4: You will need the hexpander kit PK-0440-00 which comes with midi volume, quick switch, program up/down
switch, hexpander board, harness that will not be used, and a 13 pin jack.
5: You will also need to order the 7 pin harness part number PE-0182-G0
6: A toggle switch (if you want to manually control the switched battery ground to turn your guitar on/off)

WHAT AND WHY IS THE 7 PIN HARNESS USED?
The midi converter such as a axon or roland allows you to connect your guitar amplifier directly to the midi converter
which means you will not need to have a 13pin midi cable and a 1/4 cable plugged into your guitar but rather you will be
able to use only the 13pin cable and omit the 1/4 cables because the harness allows us to tap off the 1/4 jack to send a
signal down pin 7 which will go to your guitar amp. It beats having to cables plugged in (1 for midi) (1 for guitar)
Also the 7 pin harness goes across pin "p" on the hexpander which is VITAL because this is where the hexpander board will pass
all the signals from your saddles to a "sum" which is all 6 signals from the fishman that will allow us to send to our pre-amp
board that comes in the stock deluxe fly.







PICTURE 1
Bridge Removed


Picture 2
A hole was cut using a dremel tool to accommodate the 13 pin connector


Picture 3
13 pin connector seated in the cavity


Picture 4
Mounting plate install on the 13 pin connector. Be sure to pre-drill the holes slightly
smaller than the screws


Picture 5
Pigtails purchased from Graphtech. I drilled a very small hole through the guitar
to rout the wires through. I used the blue wires as signals the silvers as grounds


Picture 6
Look closely and you will notice I cut the tip of the signal wire from the
fishman to the piezo bus and using the sheild still attached the pad of solder
as ground back to the PCB Fishman board.


Picture 7
shows where I drilled the hole through


Picture 8
I gently removed the piezo wires by un-soldering from the piezo bus and feed
each pig tail with a blue signal wire by soldering them together
and placing a heat shrink tube on the wires. Be sure to put the heat
shrink tube on before soldering and also DO NOT heat them up until you verify
all saddles are working through the hexpander. On the pig tail where the
harness plugs into the board I took a sharpie and mark the connector heads
with numbers 6,5,4,3,2,1 to be able to keep track which wire is what. This
is important when plugging into the hexpander board.


Picture 9
I applied electrical tape to the bottom of the hexpander board. Also
if you look at the shielded cable (top left) I soldered all the grounds
from the pig tail harness to the shield along with a single green ground wire which
will go on the PCB labeled GRD.
The up down switch, a battery switch and quick switch were all mounted at this
point in such a way that it's ergonomic but also clears all other electronics


Picture10
The board fits snugly between the pots
and all connections are made.


Picture 11
As you notice all connections to the hexpander are made. I have used a 7 pin harness and make sure the orange
wire stars at pin "P' and the blk wire will be on the left! This will be your SUM piezo out and ground which
will connect later to the fishman PCB stock with the fly. Here is where the wires will
go on the 7 pin harness.
2 BLACK WIRES (will go to ground on the PCB later)
ORANGE WIRE will go to Pizeo IN
YELLOW WIRE (Not used) I taped it back
GREEN WIRE (connect this to the stereo output jack (this is the smallest prong which is common to the
mags etc..)


Picture 12 deleted

Picture 13 deleted

Picture 14
The PCB is now in place
Strip and put the following wires together
2 Black Wires,
The Green Wire that was soldered to all the pig tails and old fishman bridge ground
NOW: Solder all of them together and solder to the PCB GRD which is the solder pad
furthest to the left
The orange wire (which comes from the 7 pin harness) is the sum or all saddles together
output and is soldered to the PCB labeled "in" BE SURE THAT THE TWO SOLDER PADS DO
TOUCH EACH OTHER
Also if you look where the Battery Neg comes in you will see two wires. This is my jack
on/off switch that allows me to manual control the switch ground. You have two options.
You can do this mod with a simple on/off switch or you can simply plug a dummy cord with the
end removed to turn the guitar on and this will allow you to send the signal on pin7.


Picture 15
All connections in place and ribbon cabled formed nice and neat in the electronics cavity


Picture 16
A good polish


Picture 17
Switch arrangement
The switch between the master volume and mag volume is a graph tech quick switch
that controls midi/guitar/guitarmidiboth
The switch between the two toggle switches for mag or piezo is my mod guitar on/off switch
Please note I use a on/off/on switch and soldered the two on's together so either switch up or down
will turn the guitar on but when it's in the center the switch turns the guitar off or guitar thinks
there is no 1/4inch jack. Just remember to put the switch in the center position when you are done
playing because you will drain the battery.
The last toggle next to the piezo volume/tone is a graph tech program up/down switch and it's used
to switch the midi banks in your midi converter. it's a momentary switch and works great!


Picture 18
Just another angle.
 

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 10:31:18 AM »
Nice Freakin work!!

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 11:59:49 AM »
Nice work. That's a lot to get into that control cavity!

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 12:57:42 PM »
Wow! Great job!!  [8D]

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 05:32:35 PM »
Way over my head but very cool.

Thanks for posting this !

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 07:49:24 PM »
Thanks for the kind comments everyone! It's actually not as crowed as you think. I am an electrician by trade so wiring happens to be something
very easy to do. If one of moderators are on here he/she should make this post a sticky. I also sent this to graphtec just in case anyone ever requests it. Both my Galaxy Gray and my Kandy Tangerine have the roland synth and I personally like the ghost way better.
 

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 08:03:17 PM »
That's still a lot of stuff to get in that control cavity. It does help that you are working with wiring all the time and know how to do that neatly. A lot of people would probably think it couldn't be done.

I've built a bunch of DIY stuff over the years, and neat wiring is kind of an art when compared to the rest of what has to be done. In a tube amp, if you don't wire stuff properly (so called "lead dress"), you can end up with a VERY noisy amp. Fortunately in your case, the important wires are all shielded.

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 08:10:03 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Marossy

That's still a lot of stuff to get in that control cavity. It does help that you are working with wiring all the time and know how to do that neatly. A lot of people would probably think it couldn't be done.

I've built a bunch of DIY stuff over the years, and neat wiring is kind of an art when compared to the rest of what has to be done. In a tube amp, if you don't wire stuff properly (so called "lead dress"), you can end up with a VERY noisy amp. Fortunately in your case, the important wires are all shielded.

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Definitely true. I can always tell if someone did a DIY tube amp.
Wiring neatly is without a doubt an art and you can bet all my fire alarm, security and electrical panels are all tagged labeled and neat. No corners cut ever!
 

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 05:41:22 AM »
Looks like I could install Linux on this Fly! [:P]

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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 08:52:00 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by joedreamliner787

quote:
Originally posted by Paul Marossy

That's still a lot of stuff to get in that control cavity. It does help that you are working with wiring all the time and know how to do that neatly. A lot of people would probably think it couldn't be done.

I've built a bunch of DIY stuff over the years, and neat wiring is kind of an art when compared to the rest of what has to be done. In a tube amp, if you don't wire stuff properly (so called "lead dress"), you can end up with a VERY noisy amp. Fortunately in your case, the important wires are all shielded.

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Definitely true. I can always tell if someone did a DIY tube amp.
Wiring neatly is without a doubt an art and you can bet all my fire alarm, security and electrical panels are all tagged labeled and neat. No corners cut ever!


Yeah, and when people don't take the time do that, it makes it a real nightmare for anyone who tries to work on it in the future. Not to mention it looks bad and unprofessional. [:0]

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 05:38:03 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Marossy

quote:
Originally posted by joedreamliner787

quote:
Originally posted by Paul Marossy

That's still a lot of stuff to get in that control cavity. It does help that you are working with wiring all the time and know how to do that neatly. A lot of people would probably think it couldn't be done.

I've built a bunch of DIY stuff over the years, and neat wiring is kind of an art when compared to the rest of what has to be done. In a tube amp, if you don't wire stuff properly (so called "lead dress"), you can end up with a VERY noisy amp. Fortunately in your case, the important wires are all shielded.

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Definitely true. I can always tell if someone did a DIY tube amp.
Wiring neatly is without a doubt an art and you can bet all my fire alarm, security and electrical panels are all tagged labeled and neat. No corners cut ever!


Yeah, and when people don't take the time do that, it makes it a real nightmare for anyone who tries to work on it in the future. Not to mention it looks bad and unprofessional. [:0]

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Unfortunately the trades are full of hacks and truck slammers and very few take pride in their work but hey it keeps me in business when I have clean up someone elses mess. Some clients try to save a few bucks by hiring people that are unlicensed contractors and I always say if the price is too low then there is a reason why.
 

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2011, 09:04:26 AM »
quote:
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Unfortunately the trades are full of hacks and truck slammers and very few take pride in their work but hey it keeps me in business when I have clean up someone elses mess. Some clients try to save a few bucks by hiring people that are unlicensed contractors and I always say if the price is too low then there is a reason why.



Yeah, the same goes for the HVAC business. My company was hired to run the HVAC load calcs for a 24,000 sq ft house, but the owner was too cheap to have us do the HVAC engineering design, so he let the contractor do it. There was 15 zones, 15 units.

About a year or two after I did those HVAC calcs, he hired us to go out to the field to verify that what was installed would work. It took me a full week to figure out what the heck the contractor did because the ductwork installation was the biggest mess I ever saw. Then I went back to the office and determined what had to be done. About 75% of that ductwork and grilles had to be removed because it was sized wrong. That was back in March of 2009, right before I was laid off and forced into nearly 18 months of unemployment.

Anyway, he is STILL not done with his house. He's had the wiring in his house done 3 or 4 times, and all kinds of stuff like that. The former superintendent of the project was telling me that he would have him searching the ends of the earth for the cheapest wire and then would pay the shipping costs to get it here, and the net result was that he didn't end up saving anything and got an inferior product. Now he's having all the windows and doors replaced because they've been sitting around for years unfinished.

Since he owns a chain of cosmetic dentistry schools, I have come to the conclusion that he is somehow using this house as a money pit. Or he is just an idiot when it comes to this sort of thing. He started the basement foundation stuff back in 2003 I believe it was. His neighbors must be quite irritated with him.

I also straightened out another house about a year ago that an architect did the HVAC for, and that was another total fiasco. I can't believe this sort of stuff goes on with multi-million dollar homes. [V]

Anyway, I appreciate good craftsmanship whatever the context! [8D]

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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 12:31:22 PM »
Paul: Penny wise, pound foolish.

Joe, that's a sweet job you did there.

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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2011, 06:53:49 PM »
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Paul: Penny wise, pound foolish.

Joe, that's a sweet job you did there.

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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2011, 06:59:55 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Marossy

quote:
Originally posted by joedreamliner787
Unfortunately the trades are full of hacks and truck slammers and very few take pride in their work but hey it keeps me in business when I have clean up someone elses mess. Some clients try to save a few bucks by hiring people that are unlicensed contractors and I always say if the price is too low then there is a reason why.



Yeah, the same goes for the HVAC business. My company was hired to run the HVAC load calcs for a 24,000 sq ft house, but the owner was too cheap to have us do the HVAC engineering design, so he let the contractor do it. There was 15 zones, 15 units.

About a year or two after I did those HVAC calcs, he hired us to go out to the field to verify that what was installed would work. It took me a full week to figure out what the heck the contractor did because the ductwork installation was the biggest mess I ever saw. Then I went back to the office and determined what had to be done. About 75% of that ductwork and grilles had to be removed because it was sized wrong. That was back in March of 2009, right before I was laid off and forced into nearly 18 months of unemployment.

Anyway, he is STILL not done with his house. He's had the wiring in his house done 3 or 4 times, and all kinds of stuff like that. The former superintendent of the project was telling me that he would have him searching the ends of the earth for the cheapest wire and then would pay the shipping costs to get it here, and the net result was that he didn't end up saving anything and got an inferior product. Now he's having all the windows and doors replaced because they've been sitting around for years unfinished.

Since he owns a chain of cosmetic dentistry schools, I have come to the conclusion that he is somehow using this house as a money pit. Or he is just an idiot when it comes to this sort of thing. He started the basement foundation stuff back in 2003 I believe it was. His neighbors must be quite irritated with him.

I also straightened out another house about a year ago that an architect did the HVAC for, and that was another total fiasco. I can't believe this sort of stuff goes on with multi-million dollar homes. [V]

Anyway, I appreciate good craftsmanship whatever the context! [8D]

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Right, just like how some electricians don't calculate the loads before installing circuits and they always forget the voltage drop factor. Talk about being cheap, never the less they will power almost 1700 watts on a 15 amp breaker full of lights which is capable of 1900 watts on 14/2 and now you are near the end of your load and the breaker at this point is sweating and sure enough on a hot day when humidity and temp come into the equation you get nuisance tripping and eventually the breaker contacts start to melt and go bad..all the electrician had to do was either run two separate circuits or even better install 12/2 cable and put a 20amp breaker and now you have 2400 watts available (120V x 20) but of course the 12/2 is 20.00 more a roll [8)] ...cutting corners doesn't save money, doing it right does and then the customer will always call you back. Many thanks!