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Offline Tectonix

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« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2012, 11:45:20 AM »
I like it. I think that I would make my own battery cover for the switch since I don't believe any prerefined parts are available through Parker and probably skant-to-none on the open market unless you get extremely lucky.

Also, there are people such as myself who will not buy a modified high end guitar (unless it possibly came from Pat Metheny, Steve Vai, Eddie van Halen, or the Great Jimmy Page). This gives me the opportunity to keep its value in tact sort of like a playable artwork, or modify and then know it definitely will be worth less later.

I noticed you had a nice, long EBAY link for your toggle. Do you have one for the slide you found? I could not locate it with the numbers you had posted. This would give me an idea of the values and contacts I would need to do the job.

Once again, thanks for all the time and generosity you have given.

And oh yes, if you ever decide to take on the refined Fly, I will definitely be taking notes on that also as I am sure others will do.

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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2012, 12:37:43 PM »
P-man, I wouldn't drill any holes personally.  The batt option looks most promising.  You'll probably find that you won't use that switch much though.

Voice, if you want you could mail the pcb and I would do the mod for you, gratis.  Just cover postage.

Hope to try this on mine next weekend.
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2012, 12:46:26 PM »
Thank you for the heads up on battery compartment cover Tectonix, that is a great idea to make a replacement, also for the info regarding the re-sale values etc.

Regarding the refined Fly I do not have one and unless I can actually put into practice what I preach I would not entertain offering a similar mod for this later model, sorry ! Yes I could look at the circuit and offer a mod but I can not experiment without the actual guitar in front of me, unless of course someone would like to buy me one or give me theirs [:D]..........didn't think so [:(]

The Slide switch on e-bay is here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390390161084?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I will not be trying the Mini-Toggle switch mod until I get a couple from e-bay in a few days, I am also quite busy doing a fret re-crown on my latest Ibanez Artist so a little pushed for time right now, but as always a good book never ends......I'l be back as the great Arnold S used to say, and possibly still does [:(!]

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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2012, 09:33:40 AM »
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quote:
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Just for the record, there is a schematic for the original (pre-refined) Fly on the web. http://jmstaehli.com/images/guitars/Parker%20Fly%20Schematic.pdf
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Hi Paul, yep that is the one I have been using........thanks anyway[:)]


Cool. I don't know how many people here at the forum are aware of existence. I only recently found it (within the last six months or so)

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« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2012, 09:47:49 AM »
So I see what your idea is for hiding the battery inside the control cavity. But what happens if you leave the switch on for a couple of days and your battery goes dead? Or what if it dies in the middle of a performance? It's at least a 20 minute operation to do a battery change with your scheme. And I personally wouldn't mess with those ribbon cables much, if they get dodgy they are not easy to fix.

If you decide to go this route, make sure you put something non-conductive (thin cardboard?) between the battery and the circuitboard or the battery will short out stuff on the PCB, and something on the PCB could also possibly get damaged as a result.



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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2012, 10:41:51 AM »
Hi Paul

Yes I had considered the fact about changing the battery and your point is definitely a valid one, but the battery if used properly should give many weeks of use, it will only go flat if the jack is left in the socket and as a gigging musician you should always prepare for a set surely, it is all down to organising yourself more efficiently I guess, that's the first point.

I also checked the clearance of a copper top (Duracell) battery, that incidently does NOT fit into the Fly battery compartment and there is enough clearance not to damage the components on the pre-amp PCB, also as the IC's are the highest profile part on the board it would only be these that would touch the battery case and would not cause a problem, but YES I do agree with you about using some insulating tape or non conductive material around the battery case and this would have been included in the next stage of the project after I have installed and tested the switch option for the active/passive HB's.

I do thank you you for your input Paul, you raise some very inportant points and it is appreciated, at least you have been following the thread which is always good to know [:)]
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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2012, 10:51:36 AM »
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I also checked the clearance of a copper top (Duracell) battery, that incidently does NOT fit into the Fly battery compartment...

They do fit (tightly). I have one in my Deluxe right now.

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2012, 11:05:02 AM »
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Hi Paul

Yes I had considered the fact about changing the battery and your point is definitely a valid one, but the battery if used properly should give many weeks of use, it will only go flat if the jack is left in the socket and as a gigging musician you should always prepare for a set surely, it is all down to organising yourself more efficiently I guess, that's the first point.

I also checked the clearance of a copper top (Duracell) battery, that incidently does NOT fit into the Fly battery compartment and there is enough clearance not to damage the components on the pre-amp PCB, also as the IC's are the highest profile part on the board it would only be these that would touch the battery case and would not cause a problem, but YES I do agree with you about using some insulating tape or non conductive material around the battery case and this would have been included in the next stage of the project after I have installed and tested the switch option for the active/passive HB's.

I do thank you you for your input Paul, you raise some very inportant points and it is appreciated, at least you have been following the thread which is always good to know [:)]


Sounds like you have thought it all out. I'm always playing the devil's advocate, so don't take anything personally. [;)]

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« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2012, 11:17:41 AM »
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... in the next stage of the project after I have installed and tested the switch option for the active/passive HB's.

I'm glad that you intend to take this additional step. A really valuable follow-up at that point would be to record a good A/B comparison where you switch back and forth in real time so others can hear what you have described.

At the risk of diverting this thread, which I don't want to do, I only want to say that I find it hard to imagine these changes resulting in dramatic improvements that I personally would find worthwhile. I've played my '69 SG almost exclusively for many years, with its nonamplified PAF humbuckers. When I switch between playing it and my Deluxe, any difference in tone (and I'm not sure I hear any difference, really, when the Deluxe is operated in normal HB mode and I'm running my amp with my typical 'blues' setup) can be essentially eliminated with a tweak of a tone or volume control. I can accept the idea that my own ears are just not as discriminating as others, but it would be interesting to have some sonic evidence at hand so I can better understand what others are getting excited about.

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« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2012, 11:50:19 AM »
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A really valuable follow-up at that point would be to record a good A/B comparison where you switch back and forth in real time so others can hear what you have described.


I'd also like to hear that with my own ears.

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« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2012, 12:30:59 PM »
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Sounds like you have thought it all out. I'm always playing the devil's advocate, so don't take anything personally. [;)]

Never Paul, life is too short [:)] I actually appreciate it when someone does question my methods or my logic, I am not God and would never profess to being anything other than a keen techy who plays guitar as an incidental [:D] so fire away my friend [;)]

I have placed the order for a couple of the 4 pole 2 way Mini-Toggle switches on offer from e-bay and should have them by thursday I guess, so maybe it will be this weekend before I have a fully blown, all singing, all dancing Fly on steroids.......can't wait [:)]

Sybersitisen, I wish I could get some descent sound files for you to listen too, maybe one of the other guys here could up-load something onto the net for all to hear when they have made the changes to their Flys.

Personally I am only too aware of the differences between my Fly Deluxe and my Ibanez Artist collection, also I have a Strat and Tele and nothing (for me at least) comes close to the Fly, with the exception of one guitar and that is my Ibanez Artist AR400 which has active humbuckers, it has a very similar character in that it has this kind of zing to the notes.

I liken it to how a guitar sounds with a fresh set of strings that have only just been put on, there is this almost resonant bright overtone to the sound.....I have another Artist 2619 that has exactly the same set of passive pick-ups as the active AR4000 and they are chalk and cheese....just my 2p worth [;)]

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« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2012, 12:47:34 PM »
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I liken it to how a guitar sounds with a fresh set of strings that have only just been put on, there is this almost resonant bright overtone to the sound...

I was going to mention that earlier, but forgot. I play my strings literally for years unless they break. The sound of old strings just seems to work for my purposes. Thus I may never hear fine nuances of the 'fresh string' variety.

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« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2012, 02:21:26 PM »
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maybe it will be this weekend before I have a fully blown, all singing, all dancing Fly on steroids.......can't wait [:)]


Ha ha, a new Fly model is born - "The Steroid Fly"

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« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2012, 04:49:03 PM »
Parkerman, what about this switch?

http://www.guitarfetish.com/Mini-DPDT-Slide-Switch-ON-ON_p_1187.html

should only stick out of the backplate a bit, but I don't know if it will work for your purpose.

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« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2012, 04:56:50 PM »
You can get the same sort of slide switch from your local RadioShack store, too. (at least the ones where I live have them)

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