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Offline bostjan

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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2005, 06:47:23 PM »
you have some good points.  no offense, but i had a heck of a time reading your post though.

add in some spaces.

the reason i use mac is because of all of the problems with pc's.  my computer no longer crashes or gets viruses, yay!

strings actually aren't standardized.  check the length of a d'addario versus the length of an ernie ball.  check out the way they are wound.  nope, not the same.  this diversity makes people like one or the other instead of having one, standardized string that everyone thinks is mediocre.

i hate standards, actually.  they ruin uniqueness, and eliminate the beauty in things.  imagine if food was standardized...that would really suck.  here:  eat a bowl of mac and cheese and a glass of milk for every meal.  sure, it'd be cool for a day, maybe two, but you'd get real sick of it after a couple days for sure.

if manufacturers wouldn't stick to so many standards, it'd actually be easier to get parts for swaps.

the only thing i agree with is cables.  i hate having to buy weird cables.  i don't care how great neutrik cables sound, i don't want to lose one and have to wait six weeks for my local music store to get another one in for me.  i'm totally cool with quarter inch and xlr.  [:)]

i guess if a pickup goes bad, i'm pretty much up a creek without a paddle anyway.
 

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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2005, 09:46:30 PM »
Ok, you both have convenced me.   I told you I knew little about guitars.   I know even less about computors. Still I must take issue with Alex in his crediting Windows with the popularity of computors. I am still sure its the hot nekked girl sites ! [;)]

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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2005, 01:02:33 AM »
sorry.  i cannot resist the urge to nit-pick.  please don't hate me too much.

it doesn't matter, but- mac os was around long before windows

it's 'intents and purposes' and 'computers.'

and as much as the porno sites have springboarded the internet, it hasn't helped windows at all.


and alex is really right.  the only time i need help changing a pickup is the five per cent chance that i'll need some routing done.  otherwise, i can do it all by my lonesome in less than half an hour (or in the case of my les paul, more like five minutes) and i'm not a particularly speedy guy.  [:)]

even if i need routing, i know a guy who can do the routing in an hour.  no sweat.
 

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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2005, 08:34:08 AM »
Just kidding....mostly.[:o)] Whatever the reason or OS, I'm glad its here!

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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2005, 11:43:31 AM »
Standardizing clip connectors and mounting systems on pickups would just create an added expense that would be valuable to only a small minority of guitarists.  I do think this kind of system could be a good aftermarket modification.  

Re: The computer<>guitar metaphor.

Modding and working on a computer is, in my opinion, easier than modding and working on a guitars.  Many people will pay or barter to have someone do the most mundane upgrade on a computer, just like most guitarists will prefer to have our cherished axes handled by a skilled luthier and technician.  

And please, lets not start a MacOS/X v. MSWindows debate here.  We're Parkerian guitarists after all and above that sort of thing - let's leave that triffle to keyboardists and recording engineers... [:D]

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i hate standards, actually. they ruin uniqueness, and eliminate the beauty in things. imagine if food was standardized...that would really suck. here: eat a bowl of mac and cheese and a glass of milk for every meal. sure, it'd be cool for a day, maybe two, but you'd get real sick of it after a couple days for sure.
ummm... I think you're confusing uniformity with interoperability.  Without standards there wouldn't be: plumbing, banking, the electrical grid, radio, audio recording, film making, most industry in general, musical notation, etc. and of course, our beloved  Internet.  
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2005, 06:25:59 PM »
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Originally posted by bno

ummm... I think you're confusing uniformity with interoperability.  Without standards there wouldn't be: plumbing, banking, the electrical grid, radio, audio recording, film making, most industry in general, musical notation, etc. and of course, our beloved  Internet.  




be careful yourself, not to confuse standardization with interoperability.

the original post says

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originally posted by bill

why doesn't parker standardize their guitars so that every fly has the ability to "pop in" whatever pickup you want?



pickups are almost all interchangable with minor modifications, thus interoperable by any stretch of the word.  the duncans and dimarzios can be swapped out with some modifications to the pickups, and a few minutes of soldering.

standardization involves arbitrarily choosing one form of operation and excluding the rest.  for instance, standardizing the metric system is the same as saying that the metric system will be officially the only system for measurements.  standardizing the frequency of the a-note at 440 hertz is the same as saying that anything other than that frequency cannot be called an a-note.

although this kind of thing organizes people all on the same page, it also takes away the individualities of different cultures, but more dangerously, it reduces the level of future generations to adapt.

just look at the usa, here we standardized the english system of measurements, and now no one is able to adapt to metric, because the people have weakened their understanding of different measurement systems before logically choosing a well-defined system.  [:)]
 

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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2005, 11:47:56 AM »
bostjan - me thinks we need to sit down over a pint or two.[8D]

There are good standards and bad standards.  Egalitarian standards subvert proprietary systems and monopolistic hegemonies.  Technical standards are an essential element of complex systems.  Bad standards create conflict and repress creativity.  Etcetera, etcetera, blah, blah, blah... Bartender another pint for my friend here. [:o)]

I put Tabasco on my mac&cheese.  I think that should be a standard.  Why people put ketchup (or is it catsup) on mac&cheese is a mystery to me.  There should be a law (standard) against that.

I think Bill's point was that if the SD and DiMarzio pickup mounting templates were standard, i.e., truly interchangable, it would open up the matrix of configurations.  It takes the commitment of making a permanent modification (to pickup or guitar) off the table.  I can't Mojofy my old Fly without making a commitment.  Can I really put an SD in my Deluxe without changing (drilling) the guitar?  This is news to me.  And I was about to finally put the 2nd generation DiMarzio pickups in the axe.

I don't think the gadget mounting would be a good standard for everyone to be forced to pay for, but it is an interesting option.  Imagine having a Fly with quick change pickups and a Randall MTS with the preamp modules.  One guitar that you really like to play with an even broader tonal palette.  More choices.

Or maybe we should all just standardize on an Adrian Belew Fly (w/Variax) and a Line6 Vetta combo...(dang - now we gotta come up with a shorthand name (standard) for that thing).

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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2005, 03:33:13 AM »
that sounds like a pretty standard argument.....

my dictionary says the following: (among 18 other colloquial definitions of the word)

STANDARD: an accepted or approved example of something against which others are judged or measured    

Sounds like a fly to me!
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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2005, 10:06:24 PM »
hmm, where's my beer-drinking smiley? [8]

i think the gist of the entire problem is this:

duncan and dimarzio want to use big pickups because they have a 'big pickup' sound.  parker wants thin pickups to fit into a thin body.  emg, on the other hand, wants to make interchangable pickups (with other emg pickups, that is) that are big because they contain electronics built into the casing.  a compromise must be made.  dimarzio decided to be the one who supplied parker with it's pickups.  later, customers demanded duncans, so parker compromised with a new model which could accommodate duncan, but the pickups had to be resized also.

soooo, why not have one size-fits-all pickups for standard pickup housings? [?]

well, this is a question for ken parker, or maybe john page, but i'm guessing that the fly was carefully designed to minimize weight and maximize the balance under the heel.  more room would mean more wood and more wood would mean more weight and less balance.

also, people have not tried any of the new pickups with lower mass than magnetics and greater response with more harmonics- examples: lightwave or ron hoag pickups.  these are more piezo-like in quality, and will not satisfy the hardcore nostalgist.  they are also limited in availablity, but they shouldn't be.  the principle is very simple, and the materials are cheap.

pickup evolution is as interresting as the rest of electric guitar evolution.  we seem to have reached a point where everyone wants extreme variety in pickups- from the oldest rail-pickups, to p-90's, to single coils, to humbuckers, and way beyond.

no matter how many companies choose to make their pickups available in more shapes, there will always be some pickups that won't fit in certain guitars without some drilling. [:0]

if you dictate a standard size for all housings, some people will complain about wanting the bigger pickups they used to have.  if you make the fly bigger to accomodate the bigger pickups, some people will complain about the fly not being like it used to be.  you can't win! [B)]

unless....

now, most of you are fairly annoyed by my rants about the parker custom shop, but it could solve everything.  make a cnc template for thicker bodies to house larger pickups and leave that as a custom option for the people who want such pickups.  is that so hard to do?  well, i'm going to guess it is.  and if it isn't, and this becomes a reality, then they can make the neck a little wider too so i can get a guitar with as many strings as i want [:p]
 

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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2005, 11:33:58 AM »
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Like I shed.  You can't standardize everything 'cause then nothing would work.  I don't wanna work do you?  Speaking of pickup - that babe at th' end of the bar has been looking at you alll niight.  [:o)]

Have to remember that as it is, right off the factory floor, any Fly has more tonal capabaility (without modeling) than nearly any other guitar.  
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i'm guessing that the f7ly was carefully designed to minimize weight and maximize the ba7lance under the heel. more room would mean more wood and more wood would mean more weight and 7less balance...
Absolutely.  7I do believe they probably chuckle at some of our whimisical musings about what could7/should be.  I'm sure there's no such thing as a casual change. Gotta hand it to them for listening once in awhile.  Even subliminaly....

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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2005, 12:04:22 PM »
does anyone here have EMG's installed in a parker? ive never seen that yet
 

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2005, 02:53:32 PM »
about 23 years ago a luthier named barry lipman ,now the owner of east coast music mall,showed me a guitar he was trying to maufacture that had switchable pickups.they could be removed and switched from the back of the guitar.popped in and out. it never took off and i can't remember the name of the axe but i'll try to remember. nothing new under the sun.
 

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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2005, 12:19:37 AM »
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Originally posted by cmpkllyrslf96

does anyone here have EMG's installed in a parker? ive never seen that yet



you mean active emg's, right?  i've never seen it either.

remember sharon c?  she has a mojo (i think) with emg hz's.
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i love your subliminal messages, bno.  i think i tried that one on one of the seven string threads.  [:)]  oops, i'm not supposed to point that out!  lol  hiccup!  another round for everyone!  merrly klirshmas! hicc'