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Offline Toneman999

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Ding repair
« on: August 20, 2017, 12:09:36 AM »
Hey I just picked up a very sweet  Fly Deluxe . It is perfect except for a small ding right at the edge of the carbon fiber on top. Before I start in with superglue I thought I would see if anyone has any tips? It is about 1" long total. The close up looks worse than it is- I'm sure I could stabilize it with superglue, but would like to know how to fill it in such a way that I could buff it to optimal. Wondering if there is a way to mix black colorant into the superglue or if it will just blend as clear. Anyone have any tips or techniques?  Thanks in advance.

Pics:
https://goo.gl/photos/WMu4fz3p5YNbctp96

https://goo.gl/photos/L6BrJWazLtXnEmF39
« Last Edit: August 28, 2017, 12:01:00 PM by Toneman999 »

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Offline sybersitizen

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Re: Ding repair
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2017, 12:45:09 AM »
Hey I just picked up a very sweet 2001 Fly Deluxe Natural Mahogany. It is perfect except for a small ding right at the edge of the carbon fiber on top ... Anyone have any tips or techniques?

My best tip is that if your Fly is mahogany it's not a Deluxe - it's a Classic. A Deluxe would be poplar.

Other folks here will have some good advice about finish repair.
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Offline Toneman999

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2017, 12:51:28 AM »
Sorry- you are right it is a classic. Was typing one thing and thinking another.

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Offline billy

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2017, 09:31:03 AM »
Shouldn't be too hard to get that ding looking better.

Get some of the really runny cyanoacrylate (super glue) and use a toothpick to wick it in 1/2 drop at a time, so it doesn't run and drip all over your guitar. Let it cure. You can stop here if you don't care how it looks, it will help keep things from getting bigger and melt in some of the rough edges a bit.

If you want to make it look nicer, get a small brush or toothpick, and some black paint (lacquer if you can find it) and fill the spots where there's wood showing through the black. Don't worry too much about a perfect color match- you won't really see it on something that small.  You could probably even use a permanent black marker in a pinch if you can get it into the cracks.  Wipe off the excess before it dries so that the black is in the cracks and not on the clear coat.  Don't worry too much about it though- just cover the parts where wood is showing through the black.  Let it dry overnight if you used paint.

Then, use some of the thicker gel type super glue and fill the chip with a toothpick until it's slightly proud.  You might have to do a few layers, but from what I see it shouldn't take much.  Let it cure overnight.

Very lightly sand flush with 320, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 2000, 4000 and then buff.  No power tools!  Use a pencil eraser (the pink rectangular kind you had in 2nd grade) as a sanding block for your paper.  Try to not sand the original clear with the rougher grits too much- just use these coarser grits to get the fill nearly level.  Use the next finer grit to remove the scratches from the courser grit used prior.  Also, these work great in lieu of a block btw, and make buffing a lot quicker - not sure how much you want to invest though.  https://www.amazon.com/MICRO-MESH-SOFT-TOUCH-SANDING/dp/B000H6EC4C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1503324715&sr=8-4&keywords=sanding+pads

It should not take long- maybe an hour or so total, aside from curing/drying time.  If you're careful, it should be almost invisible when you hit it with some wax and polish. 

If you don't want to bother with the sanding and polishing, then try to keep your last fill with the gel superglue level or just below.  You'll know at each step if you want to go further or not- completely up to you.

Post some pictures if you try it!
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Offline Toneman999

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 05:57:45 PM »
Followed your instructions and it came out very nice. Nearly invisible. The trick was patience and very very fine sanding and polishing. I will post pics later tonight.  Thanks much!

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2017, 12:17:22 AM »
Here are pics of repair:

https://goo.gl/photos/vAg6cEt11bfShz2a7
https://goo.gl/photos/YhAEcYEAVM898sd466
https://goo.gl/photos/5iwoHLBFU5ESXT8V6

I used some black Auto touch up paint after the first application of superglue, to get the white crack more black to blend. Then layered about 4 coats of more superglue, let it dry. Then used the razor blade method to hone it down close, then wet sanded as you described with about 5 papers, increasing fineness each time. Then used Maguires rough polishing compound, then fine compound. Rubbed the heck out of it and then waxed with little carnuba auto wax. Not perfect but about 100% better than it was!  Thanks for your help!
« Last Edit: August 28, 2017, 12:01:56 PM by Toneman999 »

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Offline Big Swifty

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2017, 01:43:41 AM »
Nice work!

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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2017, 08:57:27 AM »
awesome, so glad that worked out for you! 
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