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Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« on: January 29, 2018, 02:47:33 PM »
Hi all,

I finally played a pre-refined Fly for the first time and noticed that the Dimarzio pickup lettering is different than my other two Dimarzio-loaded Flys, which are also different.

I've read this forum post, which explains that the Gen 1 pickups were "non italisized and block lettered" Dimarzio logo and Gen 2 pickups had the "slanted italisized" Dimarzio logo. So, imagine my confusion when I now noticed that the pre-refined fly is a different sort of "non italisized and block lettered" (pictured below).



Can anyone shed some light on this? I'll revise this post accordingly if someone can match the Dimarzio pickup-type to the three images above.
I would bet that image 1 (far left) is the Gen 1 Dimarzio Pickup, and image 3 (far right) is the Gen 2 Dimarzio pickup. Can anyone confirm? Is the middle image also a "Gen 2"?


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Confirmed pickup type for above image (from left to right):
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Image 1: Gen 1 pickups
Image 2: Gen 2 pickups
Image 3: Gen 2 pickups
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Re: Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2018, 03:20:56 PM »
One easy explanation is that previous owners sometimes swap out pickups.

Also, there apparently have been minor cosmetic changes even among original factory pickups.

For example, you'll notice the logo placement on the 2008 Deluxe in your photo is not quite the same as the Gen2 pickups on my unmodified 2001 Deluxe even though the size is the same:

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Re: Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2018, 03:28:16 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I'd considered that one of these might have been a swap of some kind.

Thank you for confirming what a the Gen 2 pickups look like and the slight variations used over time; I've modified the original post.
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Re: Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2018, 03:29:52 PM »
Would anyone be able to confirm if image 1 and image 2 are variants of the same Gen 1 pickup, or which of them more closely resembles a confirmed Gen 1 pickup?
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Re: Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2018, 04:29:26 PM »
That's very interesting... FWIW I've not seen the large non-italicized version in a Fly before - my three Flys all look like pics 1 or 3. 
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Re: Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2018, 05:14:07 PM »
Thanks for the input! So, just to confirm: your pre-refined pickups look like the first image? Presumably those are Gen 1s.
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2018, 05:20:04 PM »
yes for me - my 1994 looks like the first photo.
1994 Fly Deluxe (Black)
1998 Fly Deluxe (Plum)
1999 Fly Deluxe (Green)
2006 Refined Fly Classic (Natural)
2008 Refined Fly Deluxe (Heather Grey)
1998 NiteFly NVF4 (White)
1999 NiteFly NVF7 (Black)
2000 NiteFly SA (Transparent Blue)
2006 NiteFly M (Oil & Wax)
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Re: Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2018, 05:49:01 PM »
Okay thank you. I’m going to update the original post.
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Re: Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2018, 05:54:44 PM »
If anyone has any thoughts as to what the middle image pickup might be, please let me know.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2018, 11:51:33 PM »
Are you willing to look at the baseplate? Also, let’s not forget Dimarzio making Fly versions of other pickups to order.
 

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2018, 11:55:04 PM »
Yes, I'd considered that these might be any number of Dimarzio pickups. Would looking at the baseplate help get a sense of which pickups they are? I'm a bit out of my league here, so I appreciate all the help.

The good news is that I really do like the sound of these unknown pickups :)
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 04:30:34 AM »
I propose it just on the off-chance that their product number is there. The baseplate material/color may shine a light, as well.
 

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Re: Three Fly Dimarzio Pickup Variations
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2018, 05:37:44 AM »
I am pretty sure that the small logo is Gen 1 and the other 2 are both Gen 2. However it's pretty easy to confirm if you can measure the DC resistance of the coils and see which ones match and you'll find out. I've owned all 3 and as I recall when I checked them,  this is how they lined up. I don't believe there were anymore then the 2 stock variations but that doesn't include potential customized pickups people order from the Dimarzio. Remember,  these are all now used guitars so customizations are possible.
 

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2018, 06:03:21 AM »
 There have also been pickups customized by board members - 908ssp (Alex) and others.  These include coil swaps, magnet swaps,  etc.... So YMMV!
 

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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2018, 07:40:20 AM »
Thanks very much for the helpful information. My biggest question now is if the middle image logo is, in fact, just another Gen 2 set of pickups or if it signifies a different model altogether. For example, if someone was to say “Gen 2 pickups were issued for three months with the original image logo and then switched to the italicized logo” that would solve part of the mystery.

My suspicion is also that the middle and third image are both Gen 2, but I’m just basing that on the timbral qualities.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2018, 11:53:43 AM by vjmanzo »
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