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Offline JamieCrain

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Re: Which model do I choose?
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2018, 02:39:23 PM »
  I don't see any interlocking cogs or teeth on the Radial joint.

The cogs are on the inside, not visible once the neck is bolted on. The two sides interlock, apparently creating superior energy transfer and preventing “lateral slippage” (Parker web). I wish I could find a photo, it’s a complex and quite impressive piece of engineering.

I guess the only thing left to do is take the neck off mine...
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Offline sybersitizen

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2018, 03:18:33 PM »
  I don't see any interlocking cogs or teeth on the Radial joint.

The cogs are on the inside, not visible once the neck is bolted on. The two sides interlock, apparently creating superior energy transfer and preventing “lateral slippage” (Parker web). I wish I could find a photo, it’s a complex and quite impressive piece of engineering.

This appears to be a photo of a 'Satin Majik Blue Radial DF524', found on this page:

http://www.sevenstring.org/threads/can-a-radial-neck-joint-be-done-by-hand.320737/



No cogs ... just the rounded shape.

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I guess the only thing left to do is take the neck off mine...

Let us know if it's any different.
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Offline Mossman

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2018, 10:17:07 PM »
Interesting!  And there are corresponding ridges on the neck heel, I guess? 
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2018, 03:14:33 PM »
Those aren't ridges. They're just artifacts from the CNC machine that does the initial carving. They get sanded away by hand in places where it matters, as on a Fly body. You can see some places where they weren't yet sanded on this one:

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2018, 03:23:57 PM »
great pictures, Syber !  Thanks for posting.
btw, that's the first time I've seen a satin finished Majik Blue.  Very Cool.
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Offline Big Swifty

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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2018, 06:05:49 PM »
My DF 524 is that Majik Blue satin finish.

Looks pretty cool, but not ageing very gracefully, very easy to chip flakes off it.

As for the OP...full carbon Fly, aint nothing better i reckon!

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Offline Mossman

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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2018, 10:01:25 PM »
OK then if the 'ridges' in Syber's post are just artefacts of the CAD/CAM  that would be sanded away before the rounded neck heel was fitted, then I'm still confused about what the difference (if any) is between the "Radial Nitefly's" neckjoint and those on the original Niteflys...
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2018, 10:21:09 PM »
... I'm still confused about what the difference (if any) is between the "Radial Nitefly's" neckjoint and those on the original Niteflys...

That's what we're waiting for JamieCrain to tell us after he looks inside his new NF. He's the only poster so far who thinks there's a difference.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2018, 03:59:25 PM »
Unfortunately it seems I can’t substantiate my claim without probably ruining my own guitar by removing the neck, so I’ll just have to claim that the photo I’ve seen must have been on photobucket and removed since they changed their 3rd party hosting rules!

To the original question, it was remiss of me to ignore the obvious answer. The model the OP needs is the 7 string.

The 7 has everything: carbon wrap, flat spring trem, Duncan Distortions, piezo etc. It has 17% more range than a normal Fly and only costs about 50% more!

Re weights, the 7 comes in at approx 3kg even with carbon wrap, the new NF is slightly less at 2.9kg. I blame the mahogany. But it’s still the best guitar I’ve ever played.

J

PS Seriously though, I wonder how much knowledge has been lost by that change to photobucket?

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2018, 11:13:46 PM »
I wonder how much knowledge has been lost by that change to photobucket?

You can say that again! Every now and then, I come across a post where everyone is talking about some interesting Fly photo that will never be seen again!
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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2018, 10:42:50 AM »
the photobucket thing is shameful.  Its nearly impossible to download images more than 1-2 in any given hour and they never gave a notice about changing their policy. 

I recall reading about a browser workaround to view existing linked images that I'll post if I find it again.

At any rate, the "ridges" are indeed left over from CNC machining. 

The "cogs" are more commonly known as "finger joints" which are classic and very effective wood joints.  What's interesting is that much of the heel is machined away after gluing the finger joints together, and then the back skin reinforces that.  Early on, I assumed flys were neck thru.


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Offline jefsummers

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2018, 09:19:02 PM »
OP hasn't entered the disccussion, but it has been a good discussion in any case.
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