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Offline 21st Century Schizoid Man

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« on: February 08, 2006, 03:37:53 AM »
I really like the sounds from my Mojo when I blend the mag pups with the piezo. However once you get the blend you like, it is then very difficult to adjust the overall volume. In fact its impossible to do while playing IMHO since it requires turning the two volume knobs to the right volume and then further adjusting the piezo knob to restore your preferred blend.
So I say bring back the Master Volume knob. Or else make one knob the master volume and the other a blend knob (that way you could get rid of the mag/piezo switch too)
Anyone agree?
Or am I missing something obvious (most likely answer [:p])

 

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Offline sfw

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2006, 09:25:19 AM »
I vote for the blend knob with the master volume too. I'm not sure how difficult the wiring might be/become though. Would that also bring back the tone control for the piezo's too? I know when I talk about what I want to do with my local guitar tech's they often say, hmmm, I'm not sure how that could be wired? Too much time spent doing boring things with strats and gibsons I guess. I don't know why more people aren't more interested in piezo on their guitars?

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 09:37:50 AM »
I think this is one of those times where it makes more sense for you to alter your guitar then wish for something that might never happen and if it did would cost you way more money then altering your guitar.

You already have your guitar and if there is another issue which would influence your swap putting in a master volume is easy and cheap.

Get a stacked pot, replace your mag volume pot, wire up one pot for the magnetics and one in line with the output of the piezo. Now you have a master and a pot for the piezos you can use to set your balance.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2006, 11:13:08 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2006, 11:41:31 AM »
wouldn't it be easier to use a volume pedal?
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2006, 11:45:27 AM »
just expressing my personal preference too. I've got to learn more about wiring to put the blend in my p38. When I talked to a couple of local store tech about it, they said "what? We haven't seen many of these around." Gotta find better techs in my area :) Either that, or I'm going to have to move the whole family somewhere else...

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2006, 12:37:20 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by 21st Century Schizoid Man

I really like the sounds from my Mojo when I blend the mag pups with the piezo. However once you get the blend you like, it is then very difficult to adjust the overall volume. In fact its impossible to do while playing IMHO since it requires turning the two volume knobs to the right volume and then further adjusting the piezo knob to restore your preferred blend.
So I say bring back the Master Volume knob. Or else make one knob the master volume and the other a blend knob (that way you could get rid of the mag/piezo switch too)
Anyone agree?
Or am I missing something obvious (most likely answer [:p])






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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2006, 06:38:46 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by trap

wouldn't it be easier to use a volume pedal?



Only if you were looking for a pedal instead of a knob.  Actually, with the price of a good stereo volume pedal, it might be about the same cost, too, but you could always sell your stuff easier without permanent mods.
 

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2006, 10:54:00 PM »
True. I endorse Morley pedals and they are not cheap.

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Offline rt0412

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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2006, 01:48:24 AM »
The stacked pot will only work in stereo mode...

The L.R. Baggs Ctrl-X will do the job though. I've tried it... the only problem is that it's somewhat confusing to use. Depending on whether you're in mono or stereo mode, the controls work differently. If you happen to accidently switch from mono to stereo while in the middle of playing, you might be in for a big surprise (and confusion).

The Fishman Powerchip is not as versatile and cannot function as a blend control. It's much simpler to use though.

Pick your poison...

Actually we need to have somebody combine the features of Ctrl-X and PowerChip and do away with the purists "unbuffered mag output on stereo mode" bull****.

These would be the features I'll come out with (if have the resources to develop a Piezo/Mag Blender):

* Buffer both the Magnetic and Piezo signal and use a blend (balance) control to mix the two. Blend control should have a center detent where mag and piezo output are equal. This eliminate the "mag only, mixed, piezo only" switch.

* There should be a trimpot to adjust the output of whatever signal is louder. Why? The piezo doesn't neccesarily would always be the one with the higher output.

* Phase switch.

* Master Volume Control - a single pot electronically controlling the output attenuation of both the mono (mixed) or stereo (seperate mag/piezo) signal.

* Low output impedance such that tone is unaffected even with the use of long cables.

* Autosense cable type and switch to mono or stereo mode accordingly.

quote:
Originally posted by 908ssp

I think this is one of those times where it makes more sense for you to alter your guitar then wish for something that might never happen and if it did would cost you way more money then altering your guitar.

You already have your guitar and if there is another issue which would influence your swap putting in a master volume is easy and cheap.

Get a stacked pot, replace your mag volume pot, wire up one pot for the magnetics and one in line with the output of the piezo. Now you have a master and a pot for the piezos you can use to set your balance.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2006, 08:25:50 AM »
You say "you have done it" done what? Tell us about what you did how does it sound and how does it work? What year guitar was this done to?

The post was discussing an issue on the "refined" Flys which doesn't apply to the original Flys. The new Flys already use the Fishman power chip. Personally I would rather have a switch to go from mono to stereo. I think it gives you an interesting option impossible to get with an automatic switch. On my Deluxe I can run a stereo cable into a stereo rig and still switch the piezos into the magnetic amp you can't do that with auto sensing. [^]

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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2006, 10:09:15 AM »
I have a NiteFly NFV2 (originally S/S/H with no preamp). I installed the LR Baggs Ctrl-X initially instead of the Fishman PowerChip. It can blend the mag and piezo signal.

http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/preamps_ctrlx.shtml

You can download the product manual. It's got both the installation instructions (for a Strat, but you can adopt it to a Parker) and user guide.

So by using Ctrl-X in mono-mix mode, I was able to blend the mag and piezo and use the volume control as the master volume control... that's what I have done.

I didn't like the extra mono/stereo pushbutton switch though and the confusing change of the controls function depending on the mode.
I eventually changed over to the Fishman PowerChip for operational simplicity.

The point is, if you want the capability to have a master volume control and a mag/piezo blender control, it can be done by changing over to LR Baggs Ctrl-X preamp/mixer.
 
quote:
Originally posted by 908ssp

You say "you have done it" done what? Tell us about what you did how does it sound and how does it work? What year guitar was this done to?

The post was discussing an issue on the "refined" Flys which doesn't apply to the original Flys. The new Flys already use the Fishman power chip. Personally I would rather have a switch to go from mono to stereo. I think it gives you an interesting option impossible to get with an automatic switch. On my Deluxe I can run a stereo cable into a stereo rig and still switch the piezos into the magnetic amp you can't do that with auto sensing. [^]

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2006, 01:48:27 PM »
Aside from all of the suggestions and workarounds, I agree with 21st CSM's original post. I was dismayed to find that my '06 Mojo doesn't have a master volume pot similar to my '97 Classic. I play in a prog rock/metal band and need to access many different tones and colors within each song and having to juggle the mag volume pot and the piezo volume pot at the same time can be a bit much. I think it was a strong oversight on the part of the Parker design team to opt to eliminate the master volume pot from an otherwise excellent instrument.
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2006, 06:56:57 PM »
i really wish my '06 Mojo had the master volume also...

I never understand when good features go away...reverse progress?
 

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2006, 12:48:13 PM »
Right now my head is kinda spinning from all the tech talk, but I do want to say I'd like a master volume knob. I do own a nice Ernie Ball stereo volume pedal that works great, however when you get older like me you want to simplify everything. I guess I'm lazy but I'm tired of hauling all this little stuff around to my gigs!

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