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Author Topic: Hard Wired your Pre Refined Fly? Happy or not?  (Read 437 times)

Offline ehmanages

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Hard Wired your Pre Refined Fly? Happy or not?
« on: March 08, 2019, 04:27:54 PM »
Hi All, looking for candid feedback on folks who made a complete upgrade (or downgrade - depending on the outcome) of hard wiring your pre-refined Fly. Still happy with the change? Criticisms? Thanks!

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Offline marcwormjim

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Re: Hard Wired your Pre Refined Fly? Happy or not?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2019, 05:58:57 AM »
For me, it was a matter of dependability vs investment.

I had a black ‘96 with a bunch of paint chips, and a pristine plum ‘98. I sent the beater to Dayn to trade the innards toward a modern wiring job, and sold the ‘98 at a profit because it was a collector’s piece. I can’t say how rewiring it would have affected the sale price, but it didn’t feel right to rebuild old machinery that was still in perfect working order. Whereas the beater is now an “any gig, any time” tool, rather than a museum piece.

I’ve owned pre and post-refined Flys at the same time, and only favored the older ones because they were lighter and livelier. In terms of function, I appreciated the electronic refinements, and always regarded them as well-implemented. What they did to the wheel and trem-stop only ever annoyed me.

At present, I’ve found that having two battle-scarred 90s Flys rewired PTP with 13-pin gives me the best of all worlds.
 

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Offline jefsummers

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Re: Hard Wired your Pre Refined Fly? Happy or not?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2019, 06:47:30 PM »
The jack on my '98 deluxe became intermittent and needed replacement. Given the ribbon cable configuration, I bit the bullet and did point to point wiring with the new jack.

I thought I blew it. Got no signal. I was in tears. Then I realized I had the circuit board upside down (and man enough to admit it). Re-did it and it has been absolutely fine ever since. Never looking back.

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2019, 08:43:43 PM »
I havent converted either of my pre-refined guitars, but I do prefer the electronics on my refined guitar.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2019, 11:52:28 PM »
Why do you prefer the refined electronics, don’t you loose a bit of functionality?

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Offline dspiffy

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2019, 02:28:44 AM »
Not anything that I use.  And the refined electronics sound cleaner and fuller to me.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2019, 06:28:27 AM »
Going point to point does not change any of the electronics, just whether you are wiring individual wires or using ribbon cable to connect them all. In any case, I believe the refined flys had DiMarzio Gen2 pups and a different internal circuit board.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2019, 09:18:09 AM »
You do lose the master volume and the active piezo tone going pre-refined to refined. However,  depending on how you you do the wiring, you can still have the master volume and a passive piezo tone without too much trouble. I know because it was done to my Fly by Dayn.
 

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2019, 12:36:54 PM »
Going point to point does not change any of the electronics, just whether you are wiring individual wires or using ribbon cable to connect them all. In any case, I believe the refined flys had DiMarzio Gen2 pups and a different internal circuit board.

Some Pre-refined also have Gen2 pickups.  The circuit board changed with the refining

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2019, 05:27:46 PM »
I've re-wired a LOT of Fly's, in numerous configurations. I have a big appreciation for the original system as it sounds fantastic (up to the point where it no longer works if you have a pot fail, ribbon break, switch go bad, etc.).

You can now re-wire a pre-refined Fly with Graphtech parts, and retain the same controls in the same control locations as the pre-refined system, albeit it with Graphtech piezo saddles and preamp which do sound and perform differently than the original Fishman. Not better or worse, but different. Nice thing is, put the stock knobs back on and use same or similar switches and it looks identical.

Of course you can also veer off into control variations, adding 13-pin, alternative pickups like P90's and single coils, etc. if desired.

I have yet to be unhappy modding a Fly (which is often repairing one).
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2019, 06:42:03 PM »
The only really noticeable difference with the mod Dayn does is that the piezo tone is passive.  The original is a center detent knob that controls active bass or treble boost. So you can only roll off highs with this mod whereas you can add highs or lows with the pre-refined circuit. For me not a deal breaker. The magnetic tone is also a classic passive circuit.  In the pre-refined the mag tone behaved a bit differently.  A very slight roll-off of the pre-refined mag tone seems to trim some "shrillness". After that it basically operates like a standard tone control.  You may or may not notice this difference.  Again, not an issue for me.