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« Reply #135 on: November 24, 2006, 06:34:33 PM »
i think that the guitar has evolved over history. guitars designs have many imperfections today, and i think in a 200 yrs they will to, it all depends what your intrested in playing
 

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« Reply #136 on: March 06, 2007, 12:59:37 PM »
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Originally posted by Guitarman1117
How about a few insights &/or opinions on a Parker Double-Neck?


I'd love to have a Parker double-neck. Given the light-weight of the Fly, a double neck probably wouldn't weigh much more than some Gibsons etc. I wonder if the custom shop would consider...hmm...[:D]

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« Reply #137 on: March 23, 2007, 06:17:17 AM »
I know this is a dead thread but since its formated to not die I thought I'd throw this in.


Evolution plus intellegent design/mind equals a pretty cool finding reported by the Washington Post via Journal of Science

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032201841.html?referrer=email

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« Reply #138 on: April 11, 2007, 09:47:55 PM »
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The guitar "god" came to me last night swinging a Les Paul and he commandeth that I strike down the unbelievers inshallah



meh...he's too old, fat and slow to be hangin round here...[:p]

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« Reply #139 on: April 15, 2007, 01:30:02 PM »
As I suggested on the marketing thread, I think the Parker motto should be changed to, "Evolution THROUGH Intelligent Design."  This should satisfy both the Creationists and the Darwinists. [:D]  The techs at Parker should always be striving to innovate and expand the sound, versatility, affordability and playability of Parker guitars.  Parker is already much farther along than the rest of the pack (also known as the Neanderthals) and thus has obviously generated substantial customer loyalty.

I think that if I could afford to purchase Parker Guitars, Inc., I'd change the business model to a direct-sales model similar to Carvin's in order to increase profits while maximizing affordability for my customers.  I suspect we'll be seeing this from a lot more guitar manufacturers soon.  With the Internet, we're seeing the demise of many of the less efficient brick-n-mortar outlets in favor of online merchants offering products at more competitive prices.  Why not cut out the middle men completely with online sales?  In order to be successful doing so (since people can't touch and feel the product), this should include a lot of videos and sound samples (with full disclosures of amplifiers and effects being used to produce the sounds).  I mention the disclosure thing because I think Carvin's website falls far short of what it should be.  For example, they don't post photographs of their stock model guitars in many cases (they post photos of guitars with option-added features - misleading), they don't have enough sound samples, no video samples that I recall, and they don't disclose how sample sounds were achieved with their guitars (amps, effects, mods, etc. - also misleading).  Plus, they're sloppy with a lot of typos and such.
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« Reply #140 on: June 26, 2007, 01:14:44 AM »
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Originally posted by Diad

As I suggested on the marketing thread, I think the Parker motto should be changed to, "Evolution THROUGH Intelligent Design."  This should satisfy both the Creationists and the Darwinists. [:D]  The techs at Parker should always be striving to innovate and expand the sound, versatility, affordability and playability of Parker guitars.  Parker is already much farther along than the rest of the pack (also known as the Neanderthals) and thus has obviously generated substantial customer loyalty.

I think that if I could afford to purchase Parker Guitars, Inc., I'd change the business model to a direct-sales model similar to Carvin's in order to increase profits while maximizing affordability for my customers.  I suspect we'll be seeing this from a lot more guitar manufacturers soon.  With the Internet, we're seeing the demise of many of the less efficient brick-n-mortar outlets in favor of online merchants offering products at more competitive prices.  Why not cut out the middle men completely with online sales?  In order to be successful doing so (since people can't touch and feel the product), this should include a lot of videos and sound samples (with full disclosures of amplifiers and effects being used to produce the sounds).  I mention the disclosure thing because I think Carvin's website falls far short of what it should be.  For example, they don't post photographs of their stock model guitars in many cases (they post photos of guitars with option-added features - misleading), they don't have enough sound samples, no video samples that I recall, and they don't disclose how sample sounds were achieved with their guitars (amps, effects, mods, etc. - also misleading).  Plus, they're sloppy with a lot of typos and such.

I agree. A lot of Parker guitars were bought sight unseen... like mine for example.

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« Reply #141 on: July 06, 2007, 08:25:58 AM »
Guys,I think the guitar is a great design.
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« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2007, 07:39:58 PM »
I find the cutaway models not as nice as the non cutaway ones

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« Reply #143 on: August 17, 2007, 07:43:29 AM »
I'd like to add a point in general to the old Evolution or intelligent design argument is that most people (sorry if this sounds condescending) is that they DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT EVOLUTION ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT WORKS!!!!!

Evolution is not some magic thing where an elephant could become a cat, it doesn't work like that. Elephants are good at being elephants so they'll stay very elephant-y and only evolve further if neccessary by adapting to their surrounds and changing habitat, or alternatively they'll go extinct (probably more likely with man's current use of the planet and destruction of large wild habitats).

Evolution is a thing based on quicker death of the not-quite-as-well adapted, and hence better stuff being left longer to reproduce. A modern monkey is unlikely to evolve into a man, but they both come from a monkey type thing that wasn't sucessful in the long run that had offspring that had more offspring that after hundreds of thousands of years some variations became men and some monkeys, and the vast vast vast majority all disappeared and are nowhere to be seen.

In a similar way a piano will not evolve into a guitar or vice versa. They are both related to a cave-man's vine stretched over a prehistoric margerine tub(!) idea but are now too separate and will only continue to diversify away from each other (except the ideas of using electronics in both to try to make the same kinds of sounds, but that's not the point I'm getting at here).

The guitar was well suited to music because it has a good range and is easy-ish to play. Therefore the world ended up with the guitar being one of the more popular folk type instuments. When the guitar got electrified though (because it wasn't loud enough) and people started overdriving amps, blues and rock and roll music evolved from the idea and further enhanced the instrument. More and more people learnt it and it has further evolved. The good parts of design improvements were copied and improvements made. Parker are still here by doing well in the "evolution race" and are more popular now than ever because they are better adapted to the changing world of musicians. Due to electric guitars still being a new invention though and quality of manufacture being he beggest part in how good a guitar is early incarnations of the electric still abound today (such as strats, LPs, etc.), so the true evolution cannot be seen so clearly in the bigger picture. To see this I'd like to see electric guitars in 1000 years.

So to talk about evolution in the true sense OR intelligent design  with guitars is an oxymoron. Cheap crap guitars that are ultra affordable have done well in the modern marketplace are an evolution in one way, and top quality parkers are an evolution in another. They have both been designed with an intelligent mind; one mind being that being able to provide better instruments to the poorer people is one intelligent thought, and the other that making something with better features for more money another.

Likewise in the broad sense guitars are all evolved from earlier things. Ken Parker didn't wake up one morning and invent a Parker Fly without guitars existing. They are all refinements or a new slight evolution to existing ideas.

Therefore Parkers are an Evolution (that's doing well in the current environment of guitar players, and not dying out), that use intelligently designed improved features as their advantage (to stop them dying out to lesser brands). So it's both.

Sorry if this seems a bit long-winded but I'm sick of seeing creationists explain some half-baked thing badly where they obviously don't actually understand what evolution is and how it works and impressionable people take up their poor argument. This isn't meant to be any attack on belief in God or anything. Believe in God as much or as little as you like in my opinion. Just don't think Evolution is some kinda unlikely un-godly "magic". Find out what it is first. Sorry if this sounds ranty, but I find the world amazing and astounding on many levels so just get sick of people thinking it's only a few thousand years old and that God buried dinosaurs just to mess with our heads. That's a lot worse than me deciding Ken Parker invented guitars in their entirety yesterday morning during a 5 minute bath, and doesn't do any kind of justice to the slow process of change over time creating the amazing thing we see now all originating from a few small and truely great ideas and rules.

Right, I'm off to investigate the wonders of how our amazing universe of interconnecting patterns and beauty works again, and to enjoy playing my Parker...  :)
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« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2007, 04:27:44 PM »
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Originally posted by Piplodocus

I'd like to add a point in general to the old Evolution or intelligent design argument is that most people (sorry if this sounds condescending) is that they DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT EVOLUTION ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT WORKS!!!!! And you KNOW how it works, right? May I point out that evolution is not a fact, it's a theory.

Evolution is not some magic thing where an elephant could become a cat, it doesn't work like that. As per theory of evolution, we all came from a single-celled Adam... so, how certain are you that after so many thousands or millions of years the elephant will not evolve in to a cat? Certainly, it's easier to believe an elephant evolving to a cat than a single-cell blob evolving to an elephant.

Cheap crap guitars that are ultra affordable have done well in the modern marketplace are an evolution in one way, and top quality parkers are an evolution in another. Some cheap guitars are not crap and have "evolved" enough that they're actually better than the ones they "evolved" from.

Right, I'm off to investigate the wonders of how our amazing universe of interconnecting patterns and beauty works again, and to enjoy playing my Parker...  :) Agreed.

Rolly
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« Reply #145 on: August 21, 2007, 05:47:14 AM »
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Originally posted by rt0412

quote:
Originally posted by Piplodocus

I'd like to add a point in general to the old Evolution or intelligent design argument is that most people (sorry if this sounds condescending) is that they DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT EVOLUTION ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT WORKS!!!!! And you KNOW how it works, right? May I point out that evolution is not a fact, it's a theory.
Sorry, my mistake, I mean I know how the THEORY works. I get fed up with people who argue against it with a flawed argument due to not knowing what the theory actually is. If you explain the theory of evolution poorly in a biased way then it does sound a lot more far fetched than if it's explained properly. When people imply that evolution theory thinks things only diversify in a good way, and therefore thinks that everything magically gets better then it makes it look silly. Evolutionary drivers are about things dying off leaving a net increase in better stuff left, not about stuff wierdly becoming something more complex as if by magic. That was the point I was trying to make.

Evolution is not some magic thing where an elephant could become a cat, it doesn't work like that. As per theory of evolution, we all came from a single-celled Adam... so, how certain are you that after so many thousands or millions of years the elephant will not evolve in to a cat? Certainly, it's easier to believe an elephant evolving to a cat than a single-cell blob evolving to an elephant.
I meant in the relatively short term. It's easy to see how a single celled thing evolved into a slightly more complex thing like a bacteria, then that evolved into more complex things similar in complexity to slugs, anemones, snails, shrimps, crabs, etc. I don't think I put this point very well. As for a single celled Adam it's very interesting to know where to start and what was first defined as being a cell. That's a bit of a chicken and egg situation really. What came first the chicken or the egg? Neither; a lesser chicken like thing and a thing born in an egg without a shell. Possibly a small dinosaur and an egg. Since we've been farming birds and their eggs chickens have been doing very well in general numbers...

Cheap crap guitars that are ultra affordable have done well in the modern marketplace are an evolution in one way, and top quality parkers are an evolution in another. Some cheap guitars are not crap and have "evolved" enough that they're actually better than the ones they "evolved" from.
Yep, sure. I was just trying to point out that cheap crap guitars are also an evolution in the true sense. They didn't used to exist as much. Now there are loads and they sell a lot! Hence they have "evolved" as specialised survivors in the "guitar gene pool", their specialisation being costing less than 1 decent pickup!

Right, I'm off to investigate the wonders of how our amazing universe of interconnecting patterns and beauty works again, and to enjoy playing my Parker...  :) Agreed.

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« Reply #146 on: August 21, 2007, 06:27:53 AM »
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And you KNOW how it works, right? May I point out that evolution is not a fact, it's a theory.


It's both. Evolution has been observed, hence it is a fact. There is also the theory of evolution, which seeks to explain the mechanisms behind the observed fact.
 

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« Reply #147 on: August 21, 2007, 09:03:53 AM »
Piplodocus said: "In a similar way a piano will not evolve into a guitar or vice versa."


Well I guess that shoots down my idea for the Guitariano.  It's ok, it was really heavy to hold on your lap.




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« Reply #148 on: August 29, 2007, 10:04:24 AM »

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« Reply #149 on: November 07, 2007, 09:14:12 AM »
Guys - I realize this thread has been going for a long time - but surely this tag line is simply a marketing line, a joke or play on words in other words.

The point is NOT to get involved in the evolution controversy but to use these hot buttons to address an issue that DOES apply to Parker guitars:  is the Fly a development of the electric guitar or is a blinding new development?  And also I think the tag line means: "who cares which one it is - what we have here is a great guitar."