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Offline simonlock

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« on: February 22, 2007, 09:06:47 AM »
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Does anyone switch to using there index,middle,ring fingers instead of the usual patterns when playing 3 notes per string shapes above the 12th fret? I see Satriani, Petrucci and Guthrie Govan do switch to using just their first 3 fingers when above the 12th fret. I myself don't feel comfortable playing past the 15th because I can't squeeze my fingers together and I don't even have big hands. But I try to stick with the usual fingerings. What's the deal? How do you do it?

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2007, 10:43:26 AM »
I don't use the pinky much, above the 12th fret, just on the long stretches. The littlest finger has always been the weakest part of my game, and although I use it, I do so much less often up high on the fretboard, as I'm more comfortable with the others. I often rely on the first three, even in the lower positions, when using the pinky might make more sense. Not a good habit, I'm sure, but I've gotten used to it, and I'm still trying to work the pinky in more often...


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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2007, 12:25:17 PM »
I use them all and have decent sized hands, but you're right it is easy to get cramped there I wonder now if I should try using 3 maybe I'll get cleaner results.  Hmmmm.


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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2007, 12:25:32 PM »
I've always used my pinky and it's one of my fastest and strongest fingers. Definately stronger than my ring finger. I find it hard to leave out.

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Offline Lwinn171

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2007, 01:43:44 PM »
Huh... My ring finger gets more work than any of the others. I guess it's a good thing it's never been weighed down by a ring (just beating everyone to the joke).


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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2007, 01:59:40 PM »
This is a timely question for me. Cool.  With my new classic I've been running scales past the 14th fret lately which is new for me.  Here's my question regarding the pinky there.  My first instructor always insisted that I arch my fingertips at the last joint over the strings.  My second instructor's fingers were flatter over the strings; not arched really at all.  That was his technique everywhere.  Both were great guitarists and I would say they both had larger hands like mine; long, slender fingers.  I've always had difficulty arching the pinky past the ninth fret; I'm slower and less accurate especially on strings 5 and 6.  Just yesterday, past 12 and then the 14th fret, I tried a flatter pinky and then I used fingers 1,2 & 3 only--I was faster and more accurate.  I was taught that arched pinky=accuracy and speed and that pinky was essential.  So, after the 12 fret or so, my question is arched or flat and maybe even 1,2,3 only??  Further, I've always played with the thumb behind the fretboard and not over the side like some others--even bending--, but beyond the 12 it just seems to naturally get higher towards topside than usual.

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2007, 03:05:40 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by blancacat
arched or flat

Both, depending on which string and what I'm playing. Arched gives a better hammer-on and pull-off.  Flattened provides left hand damping, or at the extreme can provide a half barre.

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2007, 06:24:26 PM »
I'll second Roland. Mine change depending on the situation. Arched for single note, and hammer/pulloff, or running up a scale or pattern. I flatten them out on bends, short bars, and muting. I also flatten them for harmonics (open string, non-pinch harmonics) as it helps with the muting of non-played strings. My thumb is around the neck but not over the top, say upper 2/3 area.


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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2007, 02:52:33 PM »
Watch Gary Moore play. He can blaze with his first 2 fingers on blues licks. It's amazing!
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2007, 09:58:57 PM »
Django Reinhardt certainly did well with 2 fingers.  For what it's worth, the ring and pinky, (3 and 4 on guitar, 4 and 5 on piano), are the only fingers that share a tendon.  Usually the hand is strongest at the thumb and each finger further away gets weaker.  I've only played 22 fret necks and I should have my 98 Classic this Wednesday.  I'm looking forward to seeing what it's like in the Parker stratosphere.  I know that as a piano player, I'm particularly good at techniques that involve octaves and having the hands spread apart. Liszt and Rachmaninoff work well for my fingers.  I think that every hand is different and we have to discover what's most effective for ourselves and cover up what we don't do as well.
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2007, 05:38:34 AM »
personally, when I get up to the higher frets, about 14 or 15 on I switch to three finger mode.
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2007, 04:27:32 PM »
When I was very young (many years ago) a guitar teacher noticed that I did not use my little finger when playing guitar. He said “hey kid, if your not going to use your little finger, why don't you just cut it off.”. I understood what he was telling me. That little finger was a tool I was overlooking.

After that with practice I discovered that all guitar patterns, scales etc. are arranged so that if you don't use the little finger in playing your using way too much finger movements to play the necessary notes. Once a player starts to use all four fingers the nerve pathways will start to form and before long it is an automatic action. Just takes lots of repetition.............in the end you will be playing much smother and faster, and not working as hard to reach notes.


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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2007, 04:33:23 PM »
Prjacubs.......you can see Django Reinhardt on youtube from the 1930 playing his guitar with the 2 fingers he had left after losing the others. It is the only film I have seen of him. But it shows guitar players that you can over come. He was a great player before losing his fingers......then HE started over and got his playing back.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2007, 04:39:10 PM »
Another Reinhardt guitar recording on youtube there are several.

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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2007, 01:42:23 PM »
I use them all, but I lean real heavy on my ring finger.  It's got callusses harder
then my finger nails.

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