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Offline 908ssp

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2007, 04:35:09 PM »
It can be done I used to have a guitar that I built with all those options it just wasn't very useful for me. The tone is in between a single coil and a humbucker if wired with the coil going one direction and super thin if wired in the other. Or in other words if wired in phase or out of phase. I am sure you can find wiring diagrams on the net. I know I have a very old book that has them in it but no scanner at the moment. You end up with a guitar with a bunch of little switches and options that you might find less then useful and tricky to find on the go (I was going to say on the fly [:o)]). I think most of us wouldn't attempt these options because of the ribbon cable in the vast majority of older Flys. Once the refined guitars are more plentiful or the ribbon cables are being replaced due to failure you are likely to see more of these mods.

The mod I am think of doing is an active EQ...hmmm[;)]

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2007, 03:12:54 AM »
Hello,

that's exactelly what I want : a sound between a single coil and a hambuker.

Because actually my pickups deliver too much gain and too much thikness.

JP

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Offline mmmmgtr

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 11:08:20 AM »
With any mod, try it first. For example, with the mod I suggested,
I did not drill for the switch until I had actually wired the
switch in and let it hang in the control cavity. Granted, not
convenient for long term real-life application, but it enabled me
to play the guitar with my band and experiment with the settings.
That's how I came to the config I liked.

I also do agree with Alex in that too many switches can get
confusing. Yep, I said it, I agree with Alex! [8D] That's what
I liked about my solution -- no need to worry about what the
switch does technically -- just figure out what guitar type you
want. Of course, that may not be easier for you or anyone else,
I just know it works well for me.

It would be easy to wire a similar switch to do series/parallel
switching and try it first. Since the pickup wires even on the
original Fly series are not part of the ribbon cable wiring, you
can move the coils around with ease.

I think I hear what you are asking for and I would recommend you
try my wiring. I felt very much the same as you and that solution
has worked well for me.

One question... do you want to retain the full humbucking mode at
all? It sounds like you may be happier with a permanant mod, which
wouldn't even require a new switch.

Another option to try is moving the pus away from the strings,
reducing the height. That can tone down the output and mellow the
tone overall. It's quick easy and reversible!


quote:
Originally posted by Angaliel

Hello,

that's exactelly what I want : a sound between a single coil and a hambuker.

Because actually my pickups deliver too much gain and too much thikness.

JP

'01 Suprem
'97 Deluxe (green Emerald)
'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)


 

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Offline Angaliel

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2007, 07:36:04 PM »
Thx mmmmgtr,

I did rewire the pickups to get them in parallel.
I giged tonight and I really loved the smoothest sound I could get.
The only thing is that I dont split coils in middle position now.

I'll try more with taht way. If I fancy splitting more option, I might add a 3way switch : Serie-Parallel-split coils.

JP



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'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2007, 11:51:18 AM »
You could do that with the existing switch. Let me
if you want the diagram.


quote:
Originally posted by Angaliel

Thx mmmmgtr,

I did rewire the pickups to get them in parallel.
I giged tonight and I really loved the smoothest sound I could get.
The only thing is that I dont split coils in middle position now.

I'll try more with taht way. If I fancy splitting more option, I might add a 3way switch : Serie-Parallel-split coils.

JP



'01 Suprem
'97 Deluxe (green Emerald)
'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)


 

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 06:29:58 PM »
Hello,

you said I could get it with the existing switch?
How? because I will still need the switch to switch between the pickups.

MAybe I need another switch?

JP

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'97 Deluxe (green Emerald)
'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2007, 09:06:34 PM »
Sorry... my bad... I think I mis-read your post.

You want a three-way that gives...

1) Parallel Bridge Hum
2) Inside coils of each
3) Parallel Neck Hum

Is that correct?



quote:
Originally posted by Angaliel

Hello,

you said I could get it with the existing switch?
How? because I will still need the switch to switch between the pickups.

MAybe I need another switch?

JP

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'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)


 

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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2007, 04:21:52 AM »
No I 'd like this :

1) parallel mode for each pickup (individualy)
2) single coil for each pickup (if I can choose I'll choose the single coil clother to the neck for each pickup)
3) Serie mode for each pickup. (individualy)

With that combinaison I'll get 9 diferent options.

But I think the diagram would be complicated.

JP

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'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 04:24:15 AM »
I found this link could be interesting :

http://www.1728.com/guitar.htm

JP

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'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)
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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2007, 07:02:12 AM »
OK, I see. You want more sound options and are willing to add a switch (or 2?). I think it could be done if you add another 4PDT switch (like the Parker pu selector). Follow the diagram on this link for series/parallel/coilcut and use 2 poles each from the new switch for each pickup. Wire the output of each pole pair to the pu selector terminal where the main pu wire used to connect(red bridge, white neck). The combo connections that used to be on the switch (b/w bridge and r/g neck) are no longer there. Those wires are over on the new switch wired as shown in the diagram. This would also allow you to chose the two singles closest to the neck. The pu selector will then simply act like a typical 3way selector (bridge, bridge/neck, neck). The new switch would determine how each pu is configured (hum/single/series).

I like this. It's similar to the mod I did, but by using the 4PDT switch you get a "more different" sound on the one throw by using the parallel wiring. Nice....


quote:
Originally posted by Angaliel

I found this link could be interesting :

http://www.1728.com/guitar.htm

JP

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'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)


 

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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 10:35:54 PM »
The more I think about this one, the more I like it! It's
like V2.0 of my original wiring. Using the 4PDT switch gives
a similar setup, but removes the redundancy that Alex had pointed
out. You do lose the original Parker middle position, but you gain
three new sounds with the parallel wiring. Now you'll have...

Les Paul setting
Tele setting
Les Paul (hums wired in parallel) setting

One thing I realized is that with this wiring, you don't need
the 4PDT as the pu selector. You could re-use that switch to do
the hum/single/series switching and use a regular SPDT on/on/on
switch for the pickup selector!

Thanks for making me think a little bit more on this! That's what
I like about this forum. The exchange of ideas leads to new
discoveries.



quote:
Originally posted by mmmmgtr

OK, I see. You want more sound options and are willing to add a switch (or 2?). I think it could be done if you add another 4PDT switch (like the Parker pu selector). Follow the diagram on this link for series/parallel/coilcut and use 2 poles each from the new switch for each pickup. Wire the output of each pole pair to the pu selector terminal where the main pu wire used to connect(red bridge, white neck). The combo connections that used to be on the switch (b/w bridge and r/g neck) are no longer there. Those wires are over on the new switch wired as shown in the diagram. This would also allow you to chose the two singles closest to the neck. The pu selector will then simply act like a typical 3way selector (bridge, bridge/neck, neck). The new switch would determine how each pu is configured (hum/single/series).

I like this. It's similar to the mod I did, but by using the 4PDT switch you get a "more different" sound on the one throw by using the parallel wiring. Nice....


quote:
Originally posted by Angaliel

I found this link could be interesting :

http://www.1728.com/guitar.htm

JP

'01 Suprem
'97 Deluxe (green Emerald)
'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)




 

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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2007, 10:56:00 AM »
OK, after staring at that wiring diagram, I realized it
won't work with that wiring. He even makes the statement
that you need another switch to do it. That really isn't
true. On the Dimarzio website there is a series/single/parallel
switch wiring that would work as I had described. You can find it
under any humbucker description on the Installation tab. It's
a 4 conductor wiring pdf file. They basically look the same!

So I'm left with the question of how does the Dimarzio diagram work
if the other doesn't? It appears that the functionality of the middle
position can vary with the type of switch. I have a question in to
Dimarzio to provide the spec for the middle position on the 4PDT
switch as well as their DPDT switch.

The saga continues...

Oh yea... I noticed that I've been reffering to it as
hum/single/series.... DUH... I meant series/single/parallel of course...

quote:
Originally posted by mmmmgtr

The more I think about this one, the more I like it! It's
like V2.0 of my original wiring. Using the 4PDT switch gives
a similar setup, but removes the redundancy that Alex had pointed
out. You do lose the original Parker middle position, but you gain
three new sounds with the parallel wiring. Now you'll have...

Les Paul setting
Tele setting
Les Paul (hums wired in parallel) setting

One thing I realized is that with this wiring, you don't need
the 4PDT as the pu selector. You could re-use that switch to do
the hum/single/series switching and use a regular SPDT on/on/on
switch for the pickup selector!

Thanks for making me think a little bit more on this! That's what
I like about this forum. The exchange of ideas leads to new
discoveries.



quote:
Originally posted by mmmmgtr

OK, I see. You want more sound options and are willing to add a switch (or 2?). I think it could be done if you add another 4PDT switch (like the Parker pu selector). Follow the diagram on this link for series/parallel/coilcut and use 2 poles each from the new switch for each pickup. Wire the output of each pole pair to the pu selector terminal where the main pu wire used to connect(red bridge, white neck). The combo connections that used to be on the switch (b/w bridge and r/g neck) are no longer there. Those wires are over on the new switch wired as shown in the diagram. This would also allow you to chose the two singles closest to the neck. The pu selector will then simply act like a typical 3way selector (bridge, bridge/neck, neck). The new switch would determine how each pu is configured (hum/single/series).

I like this. It's similar to the mod I did, but by using the 4PDT switch you get a "more different" sound on the one throw by using the parallel wiring. Nice....


quote:
Originally posted by Angaliel

I found this link could be interesting :

http://www.1728.com/guitar.htm

JP

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'98 Artist (on the way to be traded)






 

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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2007, 11:35:30 AM »
So I've stared a bit more and now I believe, based on the
Parker wiring diagram, that the 4 pole switch is wired to
support the full series/single/parallel switching.

I'll wait for Dimarzio's reply to confirm.

If it all works out, I'll try to post a final wiring diagram.

This would require one new switch and would give nine distinct
sounds by using a pu mode switch and a pu selector switch.
 

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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2007, 02:39:52 PM »
Wow! Dimarzio already replied...


Your initial assumption about how the poles are connected in the middle position is incorrect. Your second assumption was correct (the poles are staggered), and the 4-pole switch operates in a similar fashion.


This means that the 4PDT switch will work to provide a
series/single/parallel switching for both pickups. If you want
the single coil closest to the neck, then the Dimarzio diagram
will work as is. I don't think a wiring diagram is needed since
you can use the Dimarzio diagram. Just wire the "hot" outputs
from the 4PDT switch to the SPDT (new) as the pu selector switch.



quote:
Originally posted by mmmmgtr

So I've stared a bit more and now I believe, based on the
Parker wiring diagram, that the 4 pole switch is wired to
support the full series/single/parallel switching.

I'll wait for Dimarzio's reply to confirm.

If it all works out, I'll try to post a final wiring diagram.

This would require one new switch and would give nine distinct
sounds by using a pu mode switch and a pu selector switch.

 

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« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2007, 06:37:18 AM »
Thx a lot Matt,

I'll try the mod soon with the 4PDT : Serie/Parallel/single  options !!

JP

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'97 Deluxe (green Emerald)
'00 Deluxe Grey Single 2 (Axel Ruddich Mod)
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