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Offline 908ssp

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« on: May 17, 2007, 03:28:51 PM »
OK version two. The Fishman Powerchip has issues switching it simply doesn't always work. There are two solutions one use some device between your guitar and amp to fool the switch into switching or run the piezo preamp in mono mode piezo only. This is the wiring for that. This will work for any 2nd generation or converted Fly.





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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2007, 06:06:15 PM »
What is that huge cap in there?
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2007, 06:45:03 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by LooseChange

What is that huge cap in there?



That's so that when anyone but Alex touches the guitar they get electricuted.

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2007, 09:41:06 PM »
It is just an old NOS tone cap similar to the ones used on old LPs. I can't remember the value but it cuts only the highs and not the mids. I like the sound better and would put one in all my Flys if it didn't goof up the ribbon.

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 09:59:22 PM »
Nice job on the wiring. [8D]

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2007, 10:30:51 PM »
Yup pretty amazing Alex. Ever think of taking Flys on a repair and mod basis? This forum could use someone like you and frankly i'm suprised that we don't have someone doing it already.

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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2007, 10:53:49 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Marossy

Nice job on the wiring. [8D]



Does it all checkout Paul. You know drawing this stuff is like writing you always find mistakes after posting. I played the guitar all evening and it might actually sound a bit beefier fuller then it did with the mags running through the board. I hate to say something like that because of  course I can't do strict blind a/b test to verify but it is possible that all those surface mount bits and the mixing circuitry was thinning the signal some how?

Simon I certainly would entertain the possibility of doing some work to help someone out. But I do think they should make use of local techs first and shipping is such a risk.

You guys remember this drawing the mags bypass the board the other drawing the mags go through the board just like a "refined" Fly.

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2007, 11:45:55 PM »
Alex, nice work! I admire it, and wonder about what you said about the mag tone... It makes sense that something would get lost going through the board. Thanks for posting this...


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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2007, 05:48:40 AM »
Alex, You really don't know what the value of that cap is?  Can you measure it? I've got a great selection of NOS caps to try.

Your diagram looks correct to me.

I am very curious about the bypassed sound myself. I'd like to do that with one of my flys.

Simon, I'll step up right now and offer anyone my services to repair or mod any fly electronics. Just let me know. Check my website for reference.

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2007, 09:06:49 AM »
If this Ghost system works with the piezo I gave Javier it would be nice to know someone on the Forum that can do the work. I mean just about any good tech could do a refined Fly but the older ones could be a bit trickier for them. Either of you feel comfortable with doing that?

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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2007, 09:39:21 AM »
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Does it all checkout Paul. You know drawing this stuff is like writing you always find mistakes after posting.


Do I ever! I don't see any mistakes, either.

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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2007, 03:46:55 PM »
Simon, Not a problem for me.
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2007, 06:46:13 AM »
Alex, did that guitar have four pots in it before the conversion?  Looking at the photo, what control do you have in the original master volume position? It looks like only two wires are attached.
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2007, 11:06:31 AM »
It is a 1st generation guitar so it had the typical master volume there. I honestly don't use the master or the magnetic volume separately and wanted a momentary kill switch. I'll do another thread on it.[;)]

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2007, 05:53:18 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by simonlock

If this Ghost system works with the piezo I gave Javier it would be nice to know someone on the Forum that can do the work. I mean just about any good tech could do a refined Fly but the older ones could be a bit trickier for them. Either of you feel comfortable with doing that?

Simon
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If the Ghost system works, I'd have no problem doing it, Simon. Parts & shipping both ways of course would be the responsibility of the guitar owner.

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