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Offline Toonman

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« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2007, 01:51:42 PM »
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I record at 16/44.1 because that's what the CD is going to be, and I read you lose quality  when you compress from the higher rate.
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This only happens if you use "questionable" software to perform dithering (there's lotsa math behind that). With a decent quality application you should have no problem. There is a reason professional CD's are actually recorded at very high sample rates and bit depths, and then dithered down (the same applies to video... the fact that you're going to watch a movie in your home DVD/TV doesn't mean the director is going to shoot the movie using a Handycam...).

I'm not trying to come across as "smartypants"... I just want to clear off some misconceptions around this sometimes cloudy subject. I'm all with Bob about learning to optimize resources. However, the issue around CD-quality audio is always a bit difficult to explain and understand. I could go more in-depth about the algorithmic part of this problem, but I don't think anyone wants that... [:)]

Cheers all!

P.S. Thanks for the clarification on the Mac hardware. I guess that, as always, these type of things just took quite longer to reach Mexico... [8D]

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« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2007, 08:21:51 PM »
Simon,

I am sorry about your Mac woes, but that is really quite unusual for a Mac. I'd pull it apart and see if someone didn't just dress a PC up in Mac clothes...

Bob

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« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2007, 08:30:57 PM »
Sergio,

You are of course right - the bigger the palette, the closer the down-rezed version will be to the original performance. Yes, there are some incredibly wonderful technologies out there. Sony has a format that has a greater resolution than analog tape - meaning that each particle that used to be on a magnetic tape can now be divided into greater than 1,000,000 parts. This technology will enable, for the first time, completely natural capture of performance. Of course, the hardware to use such technology is still quite a ways from the average computer. But, within a couple of years, it'll obsolete 48bit/96k or 96bit/192k. I know you are thinking what can possibly have a greater bandwidth that 192k, but when you consider the complex interaction of sub and hyper harmonics, and the effect they have on the sound of fundamentals, I think you'll agree that the only way to approach natural sound reproduction is to get something that's roughly the resolution of air.

Think about how cool that would be!

But, keep in mind that a few short years ago - say the second half of the 80s and the first half of the 90s, everything was being recorded 16-bit/48kHz. So, a lot of the grunge movement and early progressive and classic rock music was recorded and mastered on what we now consider inferior 16/48 technology.

All I am saying is that without spending any extra dough, a Mac outta the box is capable of capturing music with the same resolution as captured Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Metallica, the Rolling Stones, Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, the Beatles (well, the Threetles) etc, etc, etc, etc. And that ain't bad for under $1300...

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« Reply #63 on: May 31, 2007, 10:24:50 PM »
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And that ain't bad for under $1300...
Which is more than twice what it costs to get the same thing with a PC.  Sorry, couldn't resist...  [}:)]

Once you start down this wallet shredding path of computer based recording, regardless of which platform you're on, nobody stays with "out-of-the-box" for very long.  Software, plugins, a control surface, USB/midi keyboard input device, microphones, monitors, memory expansion, storage space.  Those extras add up pretty quick.
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« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2007, 12:02:09 AM »
Just out of curiosity, can you please let me know what PC gives you an all in one, pull it outta the box, record your album. master your CD, edit the video, build your web site, create the art for the cover, manage your biz, etc, etc  solution for under $1300?

I'd be happy to check it out and offer a point by point comparison. I'd invite you to do the same.

Bob

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« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2007, 03:34:26 AM »
simonlock, a dying hard drive can cause crashes, make start-up crash. There is a battery in the computer that last for a number of years, then needs replacing. Battery in my current computer is six years old, I thought it would only last five years or about that. I have a replacement battery ready to install when needed. A bad RAM cell can cause intermitant problems. Tech Tool Pro is a good diagnostic tool.

http://www.micromat.com/

http://www.micromat.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=83

DiskWarrior is also good.

http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/


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« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2007, 08:35:12 AM »
Thanks Brain. After the harddrive was replaced it has been better. Once in a while it makes clicking noises for about an hour like relays being actuated and when I got it back from the hardrive install my spacebar was intermittent.

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« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2007, 09:45:36 AM »
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what PC
Touche!  Its true, you would have to make a choice on what DAW package you would use and learn how to use your computer.  No denying that the Mac-in-a-box has all those gadgets.  But if you want to get started with DAW recording, you can do it for considerably less on the PC platform.  Any PC running Vista Home Premium with an M-Audio Fast Track would be a good option.  A $1300 DAW in PCland?  Oh, my, we could go shopping!  You could add a MIDI/Audio keyboard interface controller with faders and knobs, powered studio monitors, a USB microphone, Sonar Studio and some plugins.  

Look, we can run around the dead horse and beat it all day.  Let's politely agree to disagree and leave it at that.  [V]

However, I will point out that Sweetwater is blowing out iMac 17" for $999.  It needs the $100 memory upgrade but otherwise looks competent.  That's $1100 for an iMac w/ 1.5GB RAM, etc... that's a pretty good deal.
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« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2007, 09:07:02 PM »
what's a good reasonably priced firewire i/o interface to work with logic express?
 

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« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2007, 09:41:27 PM »
Hey Lou,

Look at the Presonus stuff. There are a number of configurations so try and figure out what your needs would be (inputs, outputs, etc). You might look into the Firebox. FWIW, I use USB interfaces (Tascam US428, US122, Line6 Toneport, Line6 PodXTLive) and they've been just fine. I'd look into a controller as well as an interface - it'll make the experience much more enjoyable. M-Audio also has some great stuff.

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« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2007, 10:51:03 PM »
thank ya[:)]

oh and can express program drumbeats or patterns?
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« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2007, 08:35:10 AM »
Yes, you can do drums through the MIDI function or using loops or both. The easiest way for me is to hook up a MIDI controller of some kind and assign sounds. Play a phrase, clean it up and then loop it. Use another track for fills, intros and outros. OR, you can use any of the canned loops from the Jam Packs, and there are some GREAT ones there. The World Beats and Symphony Packs are great for what I do. But look into all of them. Their $99 each and each is worth it.

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« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2007, 10:54:33 AM »
Logic is one of the most respected and deep DAWs out there. I have no idea how stripped down the Express version is, but I'm sure it'd meet the needs of most home recording musicians (both audio and MIDI).

For audio interfaces, Presonus and MOTU seem to have a good reputation for Mac. RME seems to be the king. M-audio stuff is more geared toward the consumer/prosumer market (which is ok... I have a FW410), so they're more accessible.

Hope this helps a bit!

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« Reply #73 on: July 02, 2007, 05:27:27 PM »
well i am happy to say i am now broadcasting from a mac. i'm sure i still have a load to figure out but what i've seen so far is really cool. the whole system is really user friendly...it's easy and intuitive. All of the programs are awesome and great fun.

  Using a computer is enjoyable again [:D]
 

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« Reply #74 on: November 27, 2007, 07:34:17 AM »
Sorry to reserect this old thread guys, but I am just about to take the plunge on a new iMac and wanted some advice from the experienced Mac users on the forum.

I am looking at the iMac for general use (e-mail, surfing etc), some web development and I want to get into some music recording, initially using Garageband and possibly then upgrading to Logic or similar.  I was looking at the base spec 20" iMac (due to cost) but is there an advantage of going up to the 2.4ghz version or adding extra memory to the 2.0 version?  The salesman in the shop said the base version would be more than adequate for what I will use it for but I wonder if you experienced Mac users could add your anything to this?

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