GUIDE - How to keep the Trem in PERFECT tune

[sybersitizen]

quote:Originally posted by gerylo52

sorry don't work for a 99 Fly I need the right answer

You have not asked a question. (And there's nothing different or unique about adjusting a 99 Fly.)

'01 Fly Deluxe|'69 SG Standard

[wkcchampion]

quote:Originally posted by gerylo52

sorry don't work for a 99 Fly   I need the right answer

What doesn't work, exactly?

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Marco
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[mokumax]

I know this is an old post but THANK YOU DUDE!

I was pulling my hair out trying to get this thing in tune.. by following this guide I was able to do it. It took some time to tune it though.. forever.

I had to tighten the screws on my tuning keys as well.  Maybe they got loosened during shipping? not sure but all is well now!

Wahoo!

[David B]

Hi Guys, at the moment my Parker Fly (a 1999 model) is fitted with a 10 tremolo spring plate. However I'm finding it too stiff for my liking or style of playing. I'm also having great difficulty in finding where to obtain a 9 I'd prefer to use Ernie Ball Super Slinky strings as I do on my other guitars. As you know these are 009 to 042 gauge. At the moment the 'hibrid gauge I have on the Parker are slightly heavier. Not much, but enough to warrant a slightly different use of the tremolo bar. Anyone know of a supplier here in England (UK) or anywhere else that can send me this part. How much will it cost do you guess.

[wkcchampion]

Hi Guys, at the moment my Parker Fly (a 1999 model) is fitted with a 10 tremolo spring plate. However I'm finding it too stiff for my liking or style of playing. I'm also having great difficulty in finding where to obtain a 9 I'd prefer to use Ernie Ball Super Slinky strings as I do on my other guitars. As you know these are 009 to 042 gauge. At the moment the 'hibrid gauge I have on the Parker are slightly heavier. Not much, but enough to warrant a slightly different use of the tremolo bar. Anyone know of a supplier here in England (UK) or anywhere else that can send me this part. How much will it cost do you guess.

Thomann sells them, to my memory

[Tosh]

Marco,

It seems the links are not working again. Does anybody have the procedure that they can share? Thanks.

The guide made by me with the help of 908ssp, Simonlock and Fastredponycar has just been published.

It shows a procedure to setup the trem in order to use it like a Floyd rose - that is, stay in perfect tune with any use and abuse, no matter what.

The Manuals page: http://www.parkerguitars.com/Downloads/manuals.html

Direct PDF download: http://www.parkerguitars.com/images/stories/manuals/Fly_trem_guide.pdf

Cheers and enjoy!

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[sybersitizen]

It seems the links are not working again.

Did you see the revised link directly above your post?

[Tosh]

Do you mean the "Fly Trem Guide 2" from Marco's Google drive? I thought perhaps the "How to keep the Trem in PERFECT tune" was a different document since this has a separate thread. 

I'm also basing this assumption on not yet seeing any info on spring placement within the 3 potential grooves towards the headstock end of the trem spring when changing springs(Aside from a mention elsewhere of adjusting for 9.5 gauge strings), nor orientation info for the tailpin end of the spring's mount, which can be installed in two different orientations.
 
I decided to try a swap from 9s to my 10 gauge spring and 10 gauge strings.

[sybersitizen]

Do you mean the "Fly Trem Guide 2" from Marco's Google drive?

Yes.

I thought perhaps the "How to keep the Trem in PERFECT tune" was a different document since this has a separate thread.

As I recall, v2 replaced v1.

I'm also basing this assumption on not yet seeing any info on spring placement within the 3 potential grooves towards the headstock end of the trem spring when changing springs ...

That's covered in the original Fly Handbook. It basically says to try all three slots and see which you prefer in terms of handling. I keep mine in the center (I think).

(Aside from a mention elsewhere of adjusting for 9.5 gauge strings), nor orientation info for the tailpin end of the spring's mount, which can be installed in two different orientations.

I think maybe you've lost me. But if you need the original Fly Handbook, I keep a PDF of it here:

http://thesybersite.com/parker/ParkerGuitarsHandbook_1995.pdf

With that and Marcos' document, most things should be covered.

[wkcchampion]

I tested the link and it works to me.
If you have problems, contact me in private and I will send you the guide.

[Tosh]

I was able to get the guide; thank you for clarifying that the 7 page pdf was the document being referred to!

Still, no clarification exists for proper reassembly orientation of the trem spring's tailpin end mount.

I'm positive now that the trem tuning issue on my guitar stems from the bearings. The trem seems jammed, and I'm unable to remove one of the mounting arms from the bridge's pin. I'm suspicious if perhaps my guitar's bearings were bolagna from the factory, as others have experienced and noted. Trying to source appropriate replacement bearings is my next task, as well as engineering a means for complete disassembly and replacement of them.

To those who have decried the tuning issues expressed by some people here as being solvable by following the procedures outlined in this guide, I humbly suggest we add potentially bolagnaty bearings to the list of potential culprits.

[jb63]

Pictures!
I'm not sure exactly which bearings you are referring to, but I do plan on completely disassembling a bridge in November, so I will post some pictures when I do!

[billy]

These bearings, I think- between post and bridge body.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00F4RJT1A/ref=psd_mlt_nbc_B002BBF3JO_p

You want shielded but not sealed. Sealed will have too much drag.

You can check them before removing by taking the bridge out. Should spin easily. 

If you do need to change them, make sure you don't push the bearing at the outside edge, push as close to the axle as possible. Otherwise you'll mess up the smooth internals and back to square 1.

[Noodler]

These bearings, I think- between post and bridge body.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00F4RJT1A/ref=psd_mlt_nbc_B002BBF3JO_p

You want shielded but not sealed. Sealed will have too much drag.

You can check them before removing by taking the bridge out. Should spin easily. 

If you do need to change them, make sure you don't push the bearing at the outside edge, push as close to the axle as possible. Otherwise you'll mess up the smooth internals and back to square 1.

Those bearings in the Amazon link sure look like the real deal.  It's unfortunate that the USA shop is shut down now, because that would have been the ideal resource for procuring replacement bearings.  We'll need someone to purchase these and test them out to see if they work correctly.  I'm interested myself because I want to keep my Flys going forever.  Since resolving the bearing issue on my Fly Mojo SLB, it's been rock solid for about 7 years now.

[jb63]

Awesome!
ok, now I've tried to remove one of these bearings, but no luck. I'm not sure what kind of post holds them in, but that's the next trick we need to figure out.