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Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: loumt123 on July 12, 2007, 12:54:08 AM
Sweetwater has different angle shots of them in their guitar gallery.
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: simonlock on July 12, 2007, 09:03:09 AM
http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/electric/all/s]C121G06091161/

Where do you adjust volume? I don't see a pot anywhere. I'm curious how these are going.

Simon
Vancouver,BC
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jwrooker on July 12, 2007, 10:09:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by simonlock

http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/electric/all/s]C121G06091161/

Where do you adjust volume? I don't see a pot anywhere. I'm curious how these are going.

Simon
Vancouver,BC



Look really close at the pickguard, looks like two thumbwheels there along the bottom edge

(http://www.sweetwater.com/images/guitars/PJ14N/%5DC121G06091161/%5DC121G06091161-closeup-l.jpg)


John
Rochester, NY
* 96 Fly Standard * 98 Fly Classic w/Gen 1's
* 98 Fly Classic w/Gen 2's * 01 Fly Single 2
* 02 NiteFly M w/Virtual PAF's * 03 Fly Mojo W/Pearly Gates
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Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jwrooker on July 12, 2007, 10:18:38 AM
Warning..negative post follows..

One thing that strikes me about this new series is how unlike Ken Parker they are.  The Parker Fly and NiteFly series of guitars don't have fancy bindings, inlays.  Their strength is in the innovation that leads directly to function.  These new guitars are about show, gold hardware, fancy inlays, bindings.  Look at Ken Parker's stunning arcthtop...where's the abalone?  Where's the mother of pearl or all the gold?  It's a player's guitar that delivers what a musician is after.

All of the Parker acoustics completely miss the ideology and vision of the man whose name is on the guitar.

(http://www.kenparkerarchtops.com/Resources/front_1000.jpg)



John
Rochester, NY
* 96 Fly Standard * 98 Fly Classic w/Gen 1's
* 98 Fly Classic w/Gen 2's * 01 Fly Single 2
* 02 NiteFly M w/Virtual PAF's * 03 Fly Mojo W/Pearly Gates
* 05 Southern NiteFly
Parker Chat: http://www.jwrooker.com/mychat
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: loumt123 on July 12, 2007, 01:02:42 PM
It's too bad most of us will never be able to afford ken's latest creation...I REALLY like the whole floating neck/action thing...I'm particularly picky about my action (need it low...but I take notice to the slightest buzz...I can hear the the deadened notes)

Anyway...if I start saving now maybe I can pickup a Ken Parker archtop by the time I'm 60
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jamrcat on July 12, 2007, 01:24:16 PM
+1 John! [;)]

01' Parker Fly Classic "Natural" w/SD Black Backs (Thanks Jay)
93' Parker Fly Deluxe hardtail RP "Blackie" KP Signature (Thank You! Bob & Ken)
D-Tar Mama Bear, and a 2FlyBob (Thanks Paul!)

jamrcat
Butte, Montana
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: Paul Marossy on July 12, 2007, 01:33:27 PM
quote:
One thing that strikes me about this new series is how unlike Ken Parker they are. The Parker Fly and NiteFly series of guitars don't have fancy bindings, inlays.


Yeah, that is a good point. I never thought about it really, but I wonder if a lot binding has a negative effect on the tone of an acoustic guitar...

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Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: mountaindewaddict on July 13, 2007, 04:07:18 PM
Quote: "I wonder if a lot binding has a negative effect on the tone of an acoustic guitar..."

I don't know a great deal about acoustic construction, but if (as most guitars do) you have two different kinds of wood (spruce top and rosewood back and sides for example) interacting with the string vibration to produce the tone, it would seem that excessive binding would limit the interplay between the two woods, and therefore alter the tone.  On cheap instruments, this probably doesn't matter, but when fine (read: quality / expensive) tonewoods are used, this seems very very counterproductive to me.  I would think that a thin binding of the same wood as the top stained in a darker/lighter color would be just as beautiful and give much better tone transfer.

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Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: loumt123 on July 13, 2007, 04:27:52 PM
I like the feel of wood binding more personally, especially around the neck.
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: loumt123 on July 14, 2007, 03:45:35 PM
Ken Parker Archtops are in no way shape or form related to the Parker Guitar archtops.

I believe the pickups are "Egnators"
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: uburoibob on July 15, 2007, 08:34:07 PM
Stephen,

There is no pickup on the Olive Branch. It's an acoustic archtop and it sounds magnificent. It's the Stradivarius of the guitar world...

About Ken's work...

I think the only comparison to D'Aquisto is that shows both men attempting to take the form to another level. Jimmy, with the Avant Garde and the Solo was pushing the boundaries of a traditional design and coming up with some very cool-looking, modern instruments that offered a unique sound. Ken is reworking the fundamentals of the instrument from the air up, going back to the lute and earlier and examining the "what if's" associated with the process, attempting to project what the archtop would be like today if it's development had never been affected by variations in other forms of the guitar. In otherwords, a "pure" archtop, rather than one that was influenced by electricity or a need to be the pulse of the rhythm section of the big band.

To me, what Ken is doing is incredibly exciting. He's done it for the solid body guitar, and now he's doing it for the archtop. And his initial results are nothing short of breathtaking.

I know Ken's guitars seem unattainable to most of us. But he's the pinnacle of the art form and is at the forefront of a revolution (that is only one luthier right now...). Eventually, Lou, perhaps you'll live to see it, Ken Parker's designs will be shown to be the pivot upon which the entire guitar design world swung. It may take a while, but it HAS to happen.

And no, the Parker Archtops from Parker guitars have nothing to do with it. It would be great if they did - they'd be about 180 degrees different in design, but sadly, they don't.

Bob

1997 Parker Fly Concert Burnt Butterscotch  â€¢  1999 Parker Fly Artist Custom Hardtail Butterscotch  â€¢  1998 Fly Classic in Transparent Dark Blue  â€¢  1998 Fly Classic in Cherry Red with DiBurro Roland Mod •  http://bobmartin1111.com
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: rt0412 on July 15, 2007, 09:36:52 PM
Digressing a little bit, anybody seen/heard Rick Turner's Compass Rose Guitars? It's not a Jazz guitar... sorry. But at about $5,500 a pop, I wonder how it compares to Ken's design.

It's got a floating neck/fretboard supported only at three adjustable points. For claimed extreme climatic stability, the fretboard is reinforced with graphite bars.

http://www.renaissanceguitars.com/images/CR_Story.pdf

Rolly
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: cy2989 on July 16, 2007, 03:46:53 PM
"Digressing a little bit, anybody seen/heard Rick Turner's Compass Rose Guitars? It's not a Jazz guitar... sorry. But at about $5,500 a pop, I wonder how it compares to Ken's design."

Rolly, I've heard really great things about these guitars.  I believe there is a review in this months GP mag.  The design is a little different from Ken's from what I can tell.  It's more of a pivoting system that allows the Compass Rose's neck to change its angle.  The whole idea is that the guitar will never need a neck reset.  I just purchased one of Rick's Ren basses and I'm very impressed by it's sound and workmanship.  I'm thinking about a nylon Ren if something I've been waiting for doesn't materialize very soon.  I've spoken to Barry, Rick's partner on the phone a few times and he is a great guy representing a great company.

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Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: uburoibob on July 16, 2007, 11:17:10 PM
The Olive Branch sold for $30K, putting it in the realm of Benedetto, Monteleone, less than D'Aquisto or D'Angelicos, and others.

It's hard to stress enough just how different and cool and great sounding and great feeling and different and light and responsive and so many more things the Olive Branch is. And I understand that the next one is already evolved.

Think about this - the Olive Branch is a one-of-a-kind guitar that takes the first ten steps toward reinventing the acoustic archtop guitar... Imagine if there were only one Fly ever built - and everyone knew how great it was. Wonder what it would sell for.

Bob

1997 Parker Fly Concert Burnt Butterscotch  â€¢  1999 Parker Fly Artist Custom Hardtail Butterscotch  â€¢  1998 Fly Classic in Transparent Dark Blue  â€¢  1998 Fly Classic in Cherry Red with DiBurro Roland Mod •  http://bobmartin1111.com
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: loumt123 on July 16, 2007, 11:37:48 PM
whats ken working on now?
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: cy2989 on July 17, 2007, 06:32:23 AM
Wouldn't it be wonderful if Ken were able to produce this instrument at a price point around $5k?  Once the evolution is near complete (I'm sure it will never stop all together) maybe he will tool up to do just that.  Making such an instrument available to the non-investor, non-professional, guitar lover/hobbyist like me, would be a different calling but an admirable and rewarding one.  Just think how it would be if those of us here never had access to the Fly?  If it were just a guitar we read about in magazines?  That would be a real shame.  Thousands more understand, first hand, Ken's genius because they own one.  Maybe Ken could hand make some models to satisfy those who can afford the $30k price and some models that are made in a production shop of sorts.  I'm thinking out loud and the reality might be that Ken is tired of running such a production shop.  Maybe he wants the peaceful solitude of working alone in his shop, listening to his favorite music while he carves plates.  I understand this feeling as I used to make violins (hobbyist only).  I worked with a profession, master violin maker here in Columbus (John Masters).  I always thought that if money wasn't important, this is what I would do for a living.  It's extremely rewarding work and good for your soul.  I can't imagine doing it at Ken's level.  Still, I want an Olive!

Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: uburoibob on July 17, 2007, 05:32:28 PM
I certainly understand everyone's points of view. I'd love to have one of Ken's guitars sooner rather than later, too. I dunno. I've wrestled with how many guitars I need vs having Mr. Parker make me a guitar. Some days I wake up and poll ebay to see if a sell off could take care of the cost. A couple of things about this:

1. Guitars always seem to go up in value - at least the rare and beautiful do. In 1975, 58-60 Les Paul's were going for $5000. That was more than half my income at the time. Today, they can easily fetch $150,000 or more. And that's more than ALL my income. Wish I'd gotten an investment group together in 1975!

2. When it comes right down to it, how many guitars do you have (if you have many) that are not exceptionally popular in your collection? Meaning, how many get played rarely if at all? I am thinking it's maybe time to clean house and get one that I want to play and that WILL get played.

3. Yep $30,000 is a lot of money. That's it. No qualifications for that statement...

As far as what Ken is up to, all I know is that he's building archtops and that he's very excited by what he's coming up with. I can't wait to see!

Bob

1997 Parker Fly Concert Burnt Butterscotch  â€¢  1999 Parker Fly Artist Custom Hardtail Butterscotch  â€¢  1998 Fly Classic in Transparent Dark Blue  â€¢  1998 Fly Classic in Cherry Red with DiBurro Roland Mod •  http://bobmartin1111.com
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: cy2989 on July 17, 2007, 09:09:01 PM
Bob,

I love your common sense approach to things.  I feel exactly the same about having guitars that don't get played.  Recently I have done a little house cleaning myself.  Something that I have not really shared with the forum is that for a good number of years I have played mostly Flamenco guitar (along with some nylon Jazz).  Not well but I love trying.  About a year and a half ago I suffered a herniated disk that caused nerve damage in my neck.  The motor control in my right hand was severely affected.  It's a long story but the bottom line is that I can no longer play the finger-style/Flamenco that I once did.  I almost gave up playing all together.  But I decided to find a technique that I could play and make it my own.  It's a process still in the works.  One by one I've sold off Flamenco and Classical guitars that I loved but knew that I would never play them like I once did.  Please don't feel sorry for me.  The good news is that I discovered Flys, of which I now own two and love the new style I'm learning to play.  This new way of playing has provoked me to learn more about music theory and in the long run I'll be a better player.  

I know I'm rambling but my point is that I agree with what I believe you're saying.  I personally would rather own just a couple of really fine guitars that I play daily than a bunch that I play seldom or never.  I just seems like a waste to me and that's why I've sold off everything I don't play anymore.  Sorry for the wandering.

Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jazzrat on September 21, 2007, 11:17:19 PM
This review of a Larry Coryell concert mentions he is using a Parker archtop.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz/browse_thread/thread/a1c36ff9fe2c90f5/85aa977f2d7fd915#85aa977f2d7fd915

'02 Fly Classic Hardtail,AMDlx Tele, Ibanez AS80, Eastman 805 CE Archtop,  MIM jazz bass, Takemine '95 SC-132EC
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jazzrat on September 23, 2007, 02:30:13 PM
I knew it wasn't the Olive Branch. I was just interested to see a pro using the production archtop.

'02 Fly Classic Hardtail,AMDlx Tele, Ibanez AS80, Eastman 805 CE Archtop,  MIM jazz bass, Takemine '95 SC-132EC
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: JSanta on October 07, 2007, 05:40:10 PM
The price is ridiculous though, I would much rather get an Eastman for that kind of money...


/jim
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jazzrat on October 08, 2007, 01:17:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Wilmington only

The Eastmans are actually very cool.

They're made in this little 8-man shop in Beijing.

There's no money above the fifth fret



I sure like mine!

'02 Fly Classic Hardtail,AMDlx Tele, Ibanez AS80, Eastman 805 CE Archtop,  MIM jazz bass, Takemine '95 SC-132EC
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: loumt123 on October 08, 2007, 02:13:10 PM
amen to that
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: JSanta on October 09, 2007, 12:50:10 PM
I'm suprised that US-Music even thinks they have a market for the instrument.  A friend of mine back home (www.brutonstringworks.com) could make me a custom jazz-box for that kind of money!


/jim
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jazzrat on October 09, 2007, 01:11:45 PM
I agree Jim, There is a ton of stuff available out there in that price range.

'02 Fly Classic Hardtail,AMDlx Tele, Ibanez AS80, Eastman 805 CE Archtop,  MIM jazz bass, Takemine '95 SC-132EC
Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: FAB1 on January 27, 2008, 08:00:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by jwrooker

Warning..negative post follows..

These new guitars are about show, gold hardware, fancy inlays, bindings.  All of the Parker acoustics completely miss the ideology and vision of the man whose name is on the guitar.




Agreed, almost. The Parker pj12sb jazz guitar, by any standards, is an aesthetic nightmare bordering on the laughable.  The pj14N, on the other hand is more minimalist and restrained - and as such more in keeping with the Ken Parker aesthetic.  

Where both miss out is the 'innovation within tradition factor' and as such the jazz guitars fall far short of even the more modestly priced Hofner Jazzica which has (as standard) the 24 frets many players crave as well as a well balanced acoustic signature thanks to some radical tapered body styling.  Yeah sure, there's the pj24N if I pay even more.  But my Jazzica already does that, so why would I splash out?

I do have a black Parker 6E acoustic and it is superb in a traditional sort of way, it's not pushing any envelopes but you will not get a better sounding or more easily playing acoustic anywhere.  Again, such a pity Parker skimped on the high frets (19??) 'cause this is exactly the guitar that would sound wonderful in an acoustic jazz context. So instead I have to dig out another acoustic instead if the Django mood hits me.

All missed opportunities, alas..  Did nobody ever stop to consider exactly the type of musician who buys Parker?

Title: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: loumt123 on January 27, 2008, 12:36:25 PM
I played a jazzica and it wasn't my thing. I prefered the eastman to it. I gave a couple of guitars (some incredibly expensive ones) a drive at lou rosso's shop
Title: Jazz Guitar
Post by: jamesk on January 22, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
I have a Parker P40 (most likely one of the first to be bought in the UK). There' much to love about this guitar - the best part for me is the feel and playability of the fretboard. It also looks cool, but would look out of place in a jazz club.
My preferred music is BeBop jazz as played by Joe Pass or Jimmy Bruno.
I have a Washburn J-3 (a copy of the classic Gibson ES175 archtop jazz guitar), which I also love because of it's looks and it also plays superbly.
Does the best of both worlds exist i.e. the P40 fretboard on a jazz archtop?
The Parker archtops look so cool. Is it what I am looking for? Can they be purchased in the UK? How much might they cost?
Title: Re: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: guitarmanuk on January 22, 2015, 02:12:01 PM
I have only ever seen 1 PJ12 for sale in the UK on Fleabay.  I can't remember the price but it was affordable to me and I wish now I had gone for it, just for the rarity value of it.  Never seen another.
Title: Re: Jazz Guitar
Post by: bigboki on January 23, 2015, 06:53:53 AM
The Parker archtops look so cool. Is it what I am looking for? Can they be purchased in the UK? How much might they cost?

Price as far as I know are about $30,000

yours Bojan
Title: Re: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: guitarmanuk on January 23, 2015, 07:37:23 AM
The Ken Parker archtops he builds now, yes $30k which is about £20K.  Add on import duty and VAT it would be about £25K.

The PJ12, if you could find one second have, would be aroun the £1000 mark (at a guess only) plus or minus a couple of hundred.  But these are not Ken Parker archtops!
Title: Re: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: overzen on January 23, 2015, 10:21:33 PM
last month i bought a Parker pj12sb 2007, serial : G 07060786. mint condition, not even a little scrach on it.
incredible guitar, such a beauty, all the details are  express with such refine touch. seems you want to play forever.
the sound is so warm, so pure. i'm in love...
Title: Re: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jamesk on January 25, 2015, 10:18:44 AM
Where can I try a Parker archtop in the UK?
Title: Re: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: guitarmanuk on January 25, 2015, 11:38:47 AM
Where can I try a Parker archtop in the UK?
Unless you can find one second hand, you can't.  :(
Title: Re: The New Jazz Guitars
Post by: jamesk on February 08, 2015, 11:35:28 AM

I first tried a Parker Fly in New York - one day, maybe.
Thank you for your reply.