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Evolution or Intelligent Design? => Evolution or Intelligent Design? => Topic started by: rt0412 on July 18, 2006, 12:37:58 AM

Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: rt0412 on July 18, 2006, 12:37:58 AM
Guys, check this out http://www.harmosmusic.com/.
(http://www.harmosmusic.com/EG/EG_MATRAX/EG-prototype/EG-Viewer/images/290003vert_front-EG-green.jpg)

(http://www.harmosmusic.com/EG/images-EG/post/HRM-290033oblique72dpi_300.jpg)

Looks like a tinkertoy guitar... [;)]
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: David Tomkins on July 18, 2006, 02:10:41 AM
ugly, but at the same time it really appeals to my sense of individuality.  they are looking at the guitar with an open mind.  take away all the red bits and it would be something that buckminster would approve of!
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: uburoibob on July 18, 2006, 07:21:01 AM
Evolution or intelligent design?

Neither!

Geodesic dome aside, I am pretty sure that Mr. Fuller would find that the "form over function" factor is not in keeping with his ideals!

Bob

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Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: Musicman1 on July 18, 2006, 09:32:47 AM
Too gimmicky.  Made for the modern art museum.  It looks like my son made it out of K'nex pieces.  I cant image it would really sound good. Some people here complain about the Parker design and how it bothers their comfort.  I cant image this would be good standing or sitting. Its like a gtr skeleton.

Musicman1

2005 Parker P44
2002 EB MM Axis Sport
1984 Custom made boutique Strat
1977 Guild D40 NT
1976 Gibson 335 Custom
Wide variety of amps and effects

Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: Musicman1 on July 18, 2006, 09:37:35 AM
I looked at their website and...alright...I'll take some of it back. They are primarily known for lapsteels which I can sort of see working w/their "truss" design. I still say forget the gtr.

Musicman1

2005 Parker P44
2002 EB MM Axis Sport
1984 Custom made boutique Strat
1977 Guild D40 NT
1976 Gibson 335 Custom
Wide variety of amps and effects

Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: rt0412 on July 18, 2006, 10:16:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Musicman1

I looked at their website and...alright...I'll take some of it back. They are primarily known for lapsteels which I can sort of see working w/their "truss" design. I still say forget the gtr.

The Harmos lapsteel looks OK, does not really look that weird. The guitar is another story though... it is so far out, it makes the Parker guitars look vintage. For most of us, if we have $1600, and have to choose between a Parker NiteFly and a Harmos Matrax, the NiteFly would win most of the time, right? But what, if the Matrax really has a sound to die for (or kill for)? Unfortunately we have not heard it yet, not even a sample clip. If the Parker Flys are "hard" to market, for the Harmos Matrax, it would be several times harder, I think.
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: trap on July 18, 2006, 02:50:09 PM
i could see a band, in that alien bar scene in star wars, playing that thing.but the guitarist would have to have antenna's.
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: 908ssp on July 18, 2006, 03:02:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by uburoibob

, I am pretty sure that Mr. Fuller would find that the "form over function: factor is not in keeping with his ideals!


Absolutely correct. Bucky would have asked "how is this doing more with less?" The answer is it isn't. On the other hand the Parker is very much in the thinking of Mr. Fuller. You take a shape that gives you a neck that is impossibly thin right down to the 24th fret and then with adding the least amount of the strongest lightest substance known make it ten time stronger then it would be without it and achieve something that was not possible before. That's synergy, that's creative, that's intelligent.

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Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: Bill on July 18, 2006, 06:30:18 PM
MIT Tinker Toy project taken further than it should have.

I'd call it a hollow body except, well, it has no body.

Could just call it Hollow electric ?

Still interesting. Don't blow it off right away just cause its cheezy.

 Back to the wonderful Star Wars reference: imaginge what you could do if each of the "nodes" of the "structure" were actually some type of New vibration sensitive pick up.

The only thing resonating aside from the strings would be that "infrastructure" and each "nodal pickup" could be split or synchronized with others (or all) in an infinatly variable array of combinations that would take a lifetime just to touch the surface of.


Still the neck doesn't fit the theme-- it should be plexi glass/transparant.

The neck could have impregnated diodes that light up at the fretted note. Each nodal pichup could light up when activated too. Then the guitar could be simultaneously "signing music" to all the deaf rock and roll fans. We could assign a mathamatical meaning to each sequence  and Herman Hesse's Glass Bead Game would become actualized.

ET could finally phone home.

Or , more important than all that, Do chicks dig it [?]

Custom '03 Hardtail Artist ; Fly Deluxe 2000; Gibson ES137; 1974 K.Yari DY85; Waterproof SchecterDisposable; Martin Backpacker/paddle combo;LarriveeParlor
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: jamrcat on July 18, 2006, 10:43:49 PM
Strap a rocket to it and send it to space where it belongs![:D]

Bellingham, WA
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: darc on July 26, 2006, 02:18:44 PM
That's nothing.  This guy builds the real deal:

http://www.teuffelguitars.de/instrumente/birdfish/index_e.html
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: jamrcat on July 26, 2006, 03:28:30 PM
quote:
That's nothing. This guy builds the real deal:
Replaceable resonating tubes, not in my wildest imagination. Maybe this is the future! Not for me, and I suspect the same for the majority of serious players. Hand finished, carved and otherwise wood is one of the appealing factors in a guitar. Until that changes and I don't believe it will in my lifetime, these techno gimmick guitars will only be a novelty. IMHO [^]

Bellingham, WA
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: Bill on July 26, 2006, 06:14:04 PM
That's nothing. This guy builds the real deal:

http://www.teuffelguitars.de/instrumente/birdfish/index_e.html


I'm speechless. "Techno gimmick" for sure but I'd love to test drive one.

I'm probably more old fasion than Jamcat. In fact, I still play my old wood acoustics because there is something wonderful about old wood and something wierd about having to plug in an instrument.

Then I remember the guitar is a fairly modern instrument. Can you imagine what hell the first guitar player caught from the "classic musicians"  of the day ? (who were probably percussionists).

They probably looked at the new guy with gut strings strapped over a hollow wooden box and sneared "what a techno gizmo--a real instrument is something that sounds good when you beat it with a stick" [:)]



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Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: rt0412 on July 26, 2006, 10:30:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by darc

That's nothing.  This guy builds the real deal:

http://www.teuffelguitars.de/instrumente/birdfish/index_e.html

(http://www.teuffelguitars.de/instrumente/birdfish/bilder/guitar.jpg)

Both the Harmos Matrax and the Teuffel BirdFish looks more like space-age weapons of mass-destruction...

Anyway, some people do call the electric guitars axes, so maybe it's consistent with the "evolution" of the guitar.
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: pikliakit on July 27, 2006, 09:54:02 PM
Have I seen a ZZ Top guy with one of those?
I think that these guitars are cool, but not for me.  The RKS wave type stuff is about where I draw the line of guitar shapes I can picture as blues-rock guitars.  Speaking of axes, what about those old Ovation solid-bodies?
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: pikliakit on July 27, 2006, 10:01:08 PM
NM, I would play the Tesla.  Preferably a 6-string.  How is the fret-access on those really? is it just like playing any other guitar?
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: pikliakit on July 27, 2006, 10:06:46 PM
Frank Zappa would love those
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: trap on July 28, 2006, 05:10:22 PM
uh.. can i get that with a pickguard?
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: Bill on July 28, 2006, 08:22:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by trap

uh.. can i get that with a pickguard?



lol [:D] very funny [:D]

Now that you mention it, it would really bother me not to have something to rest my pinky on when I'm fingerpicking/rolling.

Custom '03 Hardtail Artist ; Fly Deluxe 2000; Gibson ES137; 1974 K.Yari DY85; Waterproof SchecterDisposable; Martin Backpacker/paddle combo;LarriveeParlor
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: darc on August 23, 2006, 02:55:35 PM
OMG check out pg 41 of the October Guitar Player - there's a kid in a photo who apparently actually plays a Teuffel Birdfish!  What are the odds.

Personally, I think the Teuffel guitars are stunningly beautiful designs, in their own way.  When you think about it, most players who respond to strats and LP's and such consider the Fly butt ugly, but we all got past that right?
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: jamesbaecker on October 03, 2006, 01:39:09 PM
Dear Parker Forum:

Thank you for the interest and comments in July and August about the Matrax(t.m.) Guitar.  Here is some background and items of interest about the Matrax guitar, its design, technology and sound that I hope will clarify a few of the questions people had about these guitars.  

The look or appearance of a musical instrument is an important, satisfying and fun part of musicianship, but a musical instrument’s deep sacred function is to help musicians create music that connects with the soul.  The essence of the Matrax guitar is its unique resonance curve and the clean, responsive and versatile sounds it can make.  The Matrax guitar is intended for creative musicians looking for a new sonance to bring listeners closer to their souls and closer to the sacred connections that link the world.

The technology section of our webpage, describes the shift in the fundamental resonance structure of our guitar.  This resonance structure is totally different from any other guitar in the world, including Parker guitars.

The problems related to bringing something completely new to the world should not be lost on you gentlemen and ladies who play Parker Flys.  I am sure you have all heard the “challenges” to your instruments.  My suggestion is that you don’t give up on your unique thinking.  As time goes by, the justice of your belief in Ken Parker’s design will be proven - spiritually and financially.  Hang onto your Flys.

Since this is the Parker guitar forum, I’ll tell you my Ken Parker story.  Back in 2004, when Harmos Music first considered expanding from Lap Steels into Electric Guitars, I sought out Ken Parker at the Winter NAMM in LA.  When I told him that I built the Harmos Lap Steel, he said that he was aware of our instrument, had visited our website and that he “completely” understood what we were doing with our resonance shifting technology.  He didn’t say whether he thought it was good or bad, and I didn’t expect him to.  Then we talked about the appearance that Harmos should pursue in the new electric guitar design.  I’ll never forget his response - “The open body looks fine the way it is.  I’d leave it like that, unique - interesting, just fine the way it is.”  Then he warned me that guitar creation is not a get rich quick thing.  Unfortunately, I already knew that from my Lap Steel experiences..

I tell that story just let you know that the appearance decisions for this guitar have been an interesting challenge from the beginning.  Yes, we know the design looks crazy, but most  creations do and there are some technical preferences for the open design.  We are making a few changes to the look to give it a little more softness and curviness - a little more sexiness, but without changing its sound.

Many of the other features in the Matrax guitar are similar to Parker Flys and some are different.  I won’t go into details here - this is not our forum - but in the next two weeks, we will be expanding our website - www.matraxguitars.com to include more detailed background on the guitar’s specific design features as well as adding sound samples.

Thank you for giving me time on your forum.

Yours Truly,
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: rt0412 on October 11, 2006, 03:33:51 AM
We're looking forward to know more and hear more about the Matrax guitars...
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: tildeslash on October 11, 2006, 12:16:29 PM
Since Ken Parker was ahead of his time I wonder why he sold the company.  He saw something in the future?
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: Dann Glenn on March 06, 2007, 12:50:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by tildeslash

Since Ken Parker was ahead of his time I wonder why he sold the company.  He saw something in the future?



It's been a natural progression with forward-thinking luthiers such as Ken, Michael Tobias etc. to sell their existing companies. This gives them the capital and freedom to move ahead with their next series of ideas/projects, not to mention releasing them from the burden of keeping the company afloat.

Visionaries are generally very restless people who require constant access of expression for new ideas. They often become bogged-down in the present world most people live in and will do what they must to move forward of the curve; a place of comfort for original thinkers.

Dann




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Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: tvadakia on June 08, 2007, 08:03:57 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Bill



Or , more important than all that, Do chicks dig it [?]



Chicks who love geeks will.  And some of those women are pretty hot.

Unique.
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: Diad on June 11, 2007, 01:18:09 PM
I think there's a lot to be said for the Steinberger model of tuners on the back of the body, easily accessible to the right hand and without the restringing complications and minus the head.  I don't own one but want to.  I don't know why more guitars aren't designed this way?

"D minor is the saddest of all keys." Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: rt0412 on June 26, 2007, 01:08:47 AM
How does a MatraX Guitar sound? Hear for yourself. The 250's got Lace Alumitone pickups.

http://www.harmosmusic.com/EG/page4/page4.html
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: keef-riff on September 10, 2007, 12:03:05 PM
Hey all...I am new to this forum(Just bought my 3rd Parker, a PM-20-Pro)...I also own & endorse Harmos Lap Steels, this is a great company that makes great sounding lap steels...I have not played their guitars but if they are anything like the lap steels, they will be killer...Terry V(keef-riff).
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: rt0412 on October 22, 2007, 09:07:02 AM
Welcome to the Parker Forum, Terry.

Yes, to me the MatraX guitars sound killer.

Rolly
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: nj.productions on June 23, 2010, 10:32:03 AM
ok i guess
Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: Paul Marossy on June 23, 2010, 03:31:17 PM
Huh, I missed this thread somehow. Very unusual guitar. I couldn't see myself playing something like that, though, but not because of how it looks. My technique relies far too much on guitars that have a substantial body. This design is more like a Steinberger, too small to work for me.

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Title: Harmos Electric Guitars, Evo or Intel Design?
Post by: mercymercy on May 14, 2012, 04:51:51 PM
The tinkertoy looking pictures is cool, but I feel like if you drop your pick during a show it'd be harder to get out than with an acoustic guitar. Haha. Or maybe not, it could just fall through..