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Parker Models => Custom Parker Guitars => Topic started by: Strandwolf on October 16, 2007, 06:12:50 PM

Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Strandwolf on October 16, 2007, 06:12:50 PM

I'm wondering if anyone kind of obsessively records serial numbers of the Parker Fly guitars that they encounter on the Internet auction or fan forum sites, with the hope of sort of putting the production figures into place.

I know it's been done with vintage Ferrari automobiles from the 1940s through 1960s and beyond. Enzo Ferrari was totally immersed in the world of Grand Prix and sports car racing and built and sold street models merely as a way to finance his competitive track (or road race) efforts. Movie stars and royalty willingly bought relatively shabbily put together overpriced product that subsidized the racing dept. Production was so limited that each car built in the 1950s, fewer than one a day, generally, is likely to have styling idiosyncracies because the builders just grabbed parts off the shelf that were at hand--hoods with scoops, fog lights, whatever....

The Parker thing isn't quite at that level in most regards, but the "custom" instruments such as the bronze, Spanish, Artist, Jazz, Supreme, plus custom orders or one-of-a-kind to order or "on spec" could be intriguing to those that are, perhaps a bit warped...who, me?

Anyway, I was thinking of trying to come up with the total of "cedar bronzes" made in that special run of legend, plus any one-offs made to order or just as something to do in the shop. Noteworthy of course is the allergy issue with the wood.

Well, as much as it distresses me to have to do so, I will come to the point, the point being that I contacted the Canadian outfit I guess it is that is trying to flog one of the CBs rightanow, as I type. The people running that auction were singularly uncommunicative upon my inquiries regarding the device's serial number, but today, after they'd lowered their price and let the auction run down to hours to go, I thought- why not bug 'em again. Surprisingly I got a quick, if not entirely satisfying response. I was given the first half of the serial number, and I don't know if it's the old pattern or the new one, but the chap informed me that he couldn't divulge the entire serial number to me until the guitar was bought. Now, many auctions include a photo of the headstock replete with said info, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Identity theft?

Be that as it may, here 'tis: P0705
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cy2989 on October 16, 2007, 07:00:39 PM
That sounds like crap to me.  Why not give the serial number?  I can tell you that the number on my Cedar Bronze is P0612049.  BTW, that is the new numbering scheme.  I doesn't sound like that Bronze was made in the same batch as mine.  Mine was made in 12 of 2006.

It's interesting that the saddles are chrome and the machines black on that one.  On mine the are gold.  This picture was taken before I added Jeromes Brazilian Rosewood knobs.

(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s217/cy2989/cedarbronze2.jpg)

(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s217/cy2989/parkersignature.jpg)
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Strandwolf on October 16, 2007, 07:09:34 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=120169643416&Category=47064&_trksid=p3907.m29

Less than two hours to go. $2350. They had earlier run it for $2650 or $2750, with no bids, obviously.

I imagine it will return in a day or two @ ~$2200 Buy it Now.

The color seems very plain and manila in tint/hue/tone. Doesn't look very cedar-y.

Now yours, Chris--she's a beaut. Where are the wood types spelled (or initialed) out on yours, e.g., BC? Does it have a basswood neck?
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cy2989 on October 16, 2007, 07:44:39 PM
Yes, there is a wood code (BC) on the back of the headstock.  (B)asswood (C)edar .  These guitars are so light but resonate like crazy when you play them.  I play mine unplugged often because I like to feel it vibrate in my arms. I just wish it had a wider fingerboard.
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Strandwolf on October 16, 2007, 08:06:10 PM
The cedar bronze that's about to wind up on eBay looks from the photos as if it could be spruce. I should have asked about the wood code, but thought that it would be tacked onto the serial number as in daze of olde.

Interesting that it isn't gold-appurtenance laden like unto yours, Chris.
I hope for their sake that they're labeling it cedar for just cause.

PARKER USA

INSTRUMENTS INTERNATIONAL COVERS THE FULL WARRANTY!!!

USED BUT MINT CONDITION BRONZE FLY...NATURAL FINISH!

VERY RARE CEDAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

USED IN THE STUDIO 1 HOUR...MINT MINT MINT!

INCLUDES FACTORY DELUXE PARKER HARD-SHELL CASE...MARKS ON GUITAR ARE FROM THE CAMERA FLASH!!

Parker Bronze Fly Features:

    *
      Carved Cedar body with Natural Finish
    *
      Basswood neck
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Whoever does their ad copy is out of his league when addressing the marketing of a Parker Fly. Enough already with the exclamation points[:0]
I'll bet the thing is totally new and they use the 'get around' so they can sell below manufacturer's authorized price point. If it were "used" and the warranty applies to the original owner only, wazzup widdat?[;)]
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Strandwolf on October 16, 2007, 11:48:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cy2989

(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s217/cy2989/cedarbronze2.jpg)




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Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: TomL on October 17, 2007, 01:59:16 AM
Yes, I am lusting after a Bronze myself. I used Bob's for recording one of my tunes recently, and fell in love. [:p][:p]

Tom

98 Fly Classic Trans Red
99 Fly Jazz Trans Red



Those who can, do. Those who cannot, usually run the monitor mix.

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Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cgarlie on October 17, 2007, 11:51:19 AM
Do a search on the Cedar Bronze on this forum. I posted the known serial numbers at that time. I think we were only missing the "sunburst" model. I also think they all had gold hardware. And, I think there was a cedar done back when Ken was in charge, but I haven't werified this -- but if so, it would have the old type serial number.

If they won't give you the serial number and the wood codes, I wouldn't trust them. Last I checked, Sweetwater had the last "natural" Cedar Bronze. I still don't know what happened to the sunburst model.

Charlie


Parker Mojo
Parker Cedar Bronze
Parker Deluxe w/ RMC
Gibson '83 Lucille
SRV Custom Strat
PRS SAS
(Original) Dan Armstrong "See-through"
Burns Shadows Custom
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cgarlie on October 17, 2007, 12:01:23 PM
Do a search on "My Custom Signature" for the whole discussion. Here's what we had --


P0612048 JF Dana - Natural
P0612049 -- Chris - Natural

P0612051 Auburn - Natural
P0612052 Charlie - Natural

We were betting the sunburst was the missing "50".

BTW -- I think this is the same bronze that was on ebay back in August and the guy wouldn't give me the serial number then either

Parker Mojo
Parker Cedar Bronze
Parker Deluxe w/ RMC
Gibson '83 Lucille
SRV Custom Strat
PRS SAS
(Original) Dan Armstrong "See-through"
Burns Shadows Custom
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Strandwolf on October 17, 2007, 12:18:19 PM
No offense to past, present, or future owners of that guitar, or a guitar of that color, but it's singularly unappetizing--kind of like Gerber Baby Food pureedCream of Corn. Cedar needs some reddish tint and that sure doesn't have any in the pics at least which may be incorrectly exposed. It comes out brownish is all, without detailed figuring (such as Chris's has.(http://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/2.gif))
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cy2989 on October 17, 2007, 12:43:10 PM
Jim,

The look of the wood may have a lot to do with the way the picture was taken.  Mine was photographed using studio strobes and the bright flash of light can bring things out in grain that normal room light may not.  Although, as I look at my CB right now I can see all the grain features that show up in that photograph.  Cedar is a pretty featureless wood from a grain perspective but I think a nice tight grained piece of quarter-sawn Cedar or Spruce is beautiful in it's own right.
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Strandwolf on October 17, 2007, 12:53:36 PM
I am very ignorant about woods and wood identification.
For instance, from your guitar photograph, if the wood were darker, a rich deep brown, I'd ID it as mahogany.

There is hope, however. When I can swing it, I intend to purchase this:

http://www.woodworkerssource.net/Merchant3/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=18730001&Category_Code=MISC&Product_Count=0

The book alone should be quite educational, but the samples as well might bring me closer to par on the topic.
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cy2989 on October 17, 2007, 02:13:36 PM
Actually Jim, sometimes Mahogany and Spanish Cedar are hard to tell apart.  On Classical guitars both woods are used for the necks and it can be tough to tell which is which.  Red Cedar, like used in these guitars and also used as soundboards for many acoustics it pretty easy to identify.
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Strandwolf on October 17, 2007, 03:19:37 PM
Well, this was news to me:

What are Hardwoods?
Hardwood is a popular name given to angiosperms; deciduous, bread-leafed, flower-bearing trees. The term does not actually describe the hardness or density of the wood. Hardwoods vary from very light, soft woods (Balsawood) to very heavy, hard woods (Lignum Vitea). Generally, they are quite easy to work and finish.  

-------------------------------------------------------

So, what is a softwood?
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cgarlie on October 18, 2007, 11:04:26 AM
I've stated before that the natural look of my Bronze is a bit light for me -- I prefer a darker look or a "quilted maple" for appearances. However, for acoustics, it is the grain structure that is important, and my Bronze excels there.

Paul Reed Smith said his best sounding guitar was the spruce top McCarty, but it is outsold by the maple top due to appearance. (Hence the maple veneers on so many guitars.)

Charlie


Parker Mojo
Parker Cedar Bronze
Parker Deluxe w/ RMC
Gibson '83 Lucille
SRV Custom Strat
PRS SAS
(Original) Dan Armstrong "See-through"
Burns Shadows Custom
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Almost_Famous on October 19, 2007, 08:02:42 AM
just a quick question for anyone who owns a cedar-bronze, but how soft is the body wood??

I mean, I am aware that the terms "softwood" and "hardwood" are not always accurate descriptors of the density of the actual wood, but cedar is generally quite soft...

Does the CB appear to have some kind of grain filler or something to make it harder??
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: simonlock on October 19, 2007, 08:30:31 AM
With the clearcoat on it the surface has the harness of the paint just like any guitar. The wood  underneath is fairly soft as is the Sitka on the Artist,Concert/Bronze and Spanish/Nylon Flys. Cedar is a little softer than Sitka and you can mark it with your fingernail but don't let it fool you it's very stiff.

Simon
Vancouver,BC
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: 908ssp on October 19, 2007, 09:10:15 AM
And back of the body is covered with hard candy coating just like a M&M.[:o)]

I mean carbon/glass epoxy that's candy to me.[;)]

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Alex

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Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cgarlie on October 19, 2007, 09:29:40 AM
Agreed -- if you were to rout the guitar or do other mods, I would be careful, but for general handling, there is no problem. The guitar is extremely light.

Charlie


Parker Mojo
Parker Cedar Bronze
Parker Deluxe w/ RMC
Gibson '83 Lucille
SRV Custom Strat
PRS SAS
(Original) Dan Armstrong "See-through"
Burns Shadows Custom
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: cy2989 on October 19, 2007, 12:03:26 PM
I don't find the guitar to be delicate to handle at all but I'm very careful with mine as I am with all my guitars.

Title: Re: The "Cedar Bronze" (Revisited)
Post by: cgarlie on December 12, 2014, 09:14:17 AM
Do a search on "My Custom Signature" for the whole discussion. Here's what we had --


P0612048 JF Dana - Natural
P0612049 -- Chris - Natural

P0612051 Auburn - Natural
P0612052 Charlie - Natural

We were betting the sunburst was the missing "50".

BTW -- I think this is the same bronze that was on ebay back in August and the guy wouldn't give me the serial number then either


Finally -- the missing 50 shows up (and wrong, not a the Sunburst) --

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-Fly-Bronze-Cedar-/301392943140?pt=Guitar&hash=item462c6b5824 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-Fly-Bronze-Cedar-/301392943140?pt=Guitar&hash=item462c6b5824)

Charlie
Title: The "Cedar Bronze"
Post by: Bogdanovmiz on September 14, 2016, 04:11:21 AM
Really good looking - and very clever system for cutting. I love the cedar/walnut combo and I hope I get to see this one in Santa Barbara