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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: robbentrower on March 06, 2008, 04:37:35 PM
Parker Mojo. Tuned half step down to E flat. Using mixed gauges of strings, bought as singles:

9
11
17
26
36
52

This is like a couple super slinky, a few regular gauge, one bottom heavy. Brand of strings: D'Addario.

I'm always having the problem that the high E string goes out of tune with a bit of bending. I keep retuning, it goes out again. I don't use the whammy. I've got the lock stop on it. These are brand new strings. It went out of tune so much, I took the high E string off and as I suspected, it's unwinding at the ball end. I only have this problem with the D'addario brand, and only the 009. When I buy Ernie Ball sets, it never happens.

The tension is not even that high. I'm in E flat tuning! When this happened before, I used to just retune until the string finally snapped off at the ball end, and everyone told me "It's your Parker that's the problem. Must be a sharp edge somewhere that's cutting the string." No that's not the problem. The string is clearly unwinding from the tension, and if I had continued to tune it, it would have snapped off.

Is D'addario a cheap brand? Anyone else ever have this problem with high E unwinding? Any ideas on why this is happening?
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 908ssp on March 06, 2008, 04:46:51 PM
Yes this has happen to me and others and has been discussed here before. A little solder on the winding will prevent it from happening and like you already found out not all strings do it. If you don't see enough answers in this thread do a search you'll find more to read.[;)]
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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 06, 2008, 08:32:39 PM
I have been using D'Addario strings exclusively for at least the last ten years and I have never had that problem. That's just strange...

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: AustinK on March 06, 2008, 09:42:19 PM
This has happened to me also.  It might be a defective batch of strings.  I wrote to D'addario and they send me some free strings.
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Detonator on March 07, 2008, 02:07:04 AM
For me, It only seems to be a problem with the Ernie Ball strings.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: caddman11 on March 07, 2008, 06:44:20 AM
That's why I switched back to dependable Ernie Ball.
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: justwatching on March 07, 2008, 08:33:29 AM
It couldn't be the strings. It has to be Parker.[:p]

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 908ssp on March 07, 2008, 10:35:37 AM
It doesn't happen with all strings. It doesn't even happen with all strings from a single manufacturer. So that kind of indicates it only happens with some strings. Not much evidence in that to blame the Fly I think?

I think it is poorly assembled string and it could be just some random variation in their tightness.

I have had it happen on other guitars and soldering to secure the ball end has been the cure for the problem for years 20 that I know of before there even was a Fly. Is the Fly more prone to it than other guitars? I wouldn't know don't play anything but Flys for years now.

Mind you unwinding is not the same as breaking at the ball. Two different problems. This might be the cause of breaking but not in my mind to unwinding.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: strumminsix on March 07, 2008, 12:21:36 PM
this happened to me as well recently (d'add strings).
what I wonder is if the whammy bar impacts the string winding at the ball.
I hear the string pitch change slightly and 'ping' noise as i insert it into the bridge.
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: justwatching on March 07, 2008, 12:29:10 PM
sorry i forgot
:::caution justwatching humor:::

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Roland on March 09, 2008, 09:10:53 AM
We had a rash of this about a year ago.  My personal conclusion is that it was a manufacturing problem which went away.  Solder cured it on the batch of string I had, and it didn't happen when I bought a new batch of strings.

As for the problem with the top E breaking between the ball and the winding: I agreed with Alex.  For a few weeks I put a piece of plastic insulation tape around the top string to cushion it.  The problem disappeared with the next batch of strings.

At the time I was buying single top strings, so the problem might have been related, but I can't remember now.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Eruption on March 09, 2008, 09:18:09 AM
This happened about 25 times with my old '06 Deluxe [D'addario 9-42s] and I tried switching to Ernie Ball 9-42s and then they broke at the headstock about 15 times. When I switched to Dean Markleys, neither of these problem ever happened again. Mind you I only had 2 sets of Dean Markleys on there before my replacement Deluxe showed up. Speaking of which, my new Deluxe has D'addarios on it now. I wonder how long before they will bite the dust and I can switch to my prefered brand, Dean Markleys.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: laughinglarry on March 09, 2008, 08:36:43 PM
Weird.  I've never seen a string unravel.  (Thank you Ernie Ball!)

I've run into strings breaking at the ball, but only on my black Deluxe so far.  And yes, it's only been with the Black Beauties.  (OUCH! [:0][B)][xx(])  Of course, it would HAVE to be the most expensive strings, and the ones that you can't get singles of...

Anyway, I'm pretty convinced that there's a burr in the bridge, and I was going to have at it when I had the Dremel out to fit the Steinberger Tuners.  But that ended up being a lot of work, and I never figured out exactly which Dremel tool I should use for de-burring inside the bridge.  Any suggestions?  I was thinking some kind of polishing stone, but how small would it have to be to get in there?  And would I run a significant risk of damaging the bridge (or maybe making the string break more often)?

Anyway, I'm happy to try something out and report back.  Just give me some fodder to try... [;)][:p][:)]

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 908ssp on March 09, 2008, 09:25:20 PM
quote:
...Any suggestions?...


It won't take much just the slightest chamfer will stop the breakage. Figure the recess for the ball was made with a drill that means the bottom angle is 60 degrees so you need some thing with more point even a drill bit hand sharpened so it has more point then just spun with your fingers will probably break the corner it shouldn't take more than that. I wouldn't use any power tools. Aluminum is soft it will cut very easy. You could spin an X-acto knife blade in there and take off the corner.
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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Gorbyrev on March 10, 2008, 05:57:44 AM
Used D'Addario 9-42's for years but my Fly Deluxe unwound top E's like nobody's business. It got to the point that I was scared to bend a top E. The solder fix works and so does cyano-acrylate (Superglue) though watch your fingers. Eventually I switched to Ernie Ball Slinkies and have had very few issues.[:)]

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: JSanta on March 10, 2008, 07:00:27 AM
I have only had this happen on rare occasions, and I found it to be burrs on the saddles.  I have only used Ernie Ball strings the past 5 years or so, and I've only rarely encountered any problems.  There was one set of strings that all of the wound strings completely unravelled after about and hour of play.  It made me feel like a man haha, but I digress.  Obviously doing what Alex said greatly decreases the chances of string breakage at the ball-end.  When I played live before I joined the military, I did this when I had long sets to play.


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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: doombilly on March 10, 2008, 01:15:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Marossy

I have been using D'Addario strings exclusively for at least the last ten years and I have never had that problem. That's just strange...

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Not so strange. Obviously some batches just stink. I stopped using the brand after going through about a dozen high E's. 9gauges. The ones I examined were really poorly wrapped. I think I had been using D'Addarios exclusively since about 1993 or so.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Paul Marossy on March 10, 2008, 01:57:21 PM
Well, I still have yet to run across a bad set of D'Addarios. [^]

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Paul Marossy on July 14, 2008, 10:31:12 AM
Or a small round file would also do the trick. It doesn't take much of a burr to break those skinny little high E strings. [;)]

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: mountaindewaddict on July 14, 2008, 10:37:02 AM
quote:
Originally posted by laughinglarry

Weird.  I've never seen a string unravel.  (Thank you Ernie Ball!)
Larry


Ditto for me!  I'm an Ernie Ball guy too.  [:)]

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 21st Century Schizoid Man on July 14, 2008, 12:38:27 PM
It happened to me once AFAICR on my Fly and it was a D'Addario string.
My vote goes to the "bad batch" theory.
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Darter on November 12, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
Twice this week--

Ernie Ball .08

I'd thought about solder but was concerned it would weaken the string.

I wrapped the ball with paper from the string package and it has held so far.

I think Alex has the right idea. boring the hole is my next move.

D
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 908ssp on November 12, 2008, 02:49:07 PM
Soldering doesn't seem to hurt the string it has been done for years I mean I remember doing it nearly 30 years ago I can't remember any solder related failures.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: plan-x on November 13, 2008, 12:08:33 PM
What I do is thread the string thru the barrel, create a loop, thread it again thru the loop and you've got a knot. Mine don't unravel anymore. This adds about 30 sec. to a string change.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: MFenkner on November 14, 2008, 05:47:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Marossy

I have been using D'Addario strings exclusively for at least the last ten years and I have never had that problem. That's just strange...


Ditto for me; I've never had the problem on any of my Flys.  I typically buy .10s but that shouldn't make a huge difference.
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: VHDon on November 16, 2008, 12:21:59 PM
This just happened to me as well.....I've had my Fly Mojo about two months now, and I've exclusively used D'addario strings for about 12 years on a variety of guitars (Music Man, Gibson, Ibanez, PRS), and this is the first time this has ever happened.
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: mongoose_eyeball on November 18, 2008, 09:57:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by plan-x

What I do is thread the string thru the barrel, create a loop, thread it again thru the loop and you've got a knot. Mine don't unravel anymore. This adds about 30 sec. to a string change.

John....plan-x



That's a good idea--I'm tired of carrying around extra e strings all the time.

I love my Parker (as do we all), but I don't see how anybody who's had it happen more than once could blame it on a bad batch of strings. I've owned 40 or 50 electric guitars since 1968, and my '98 Fly is the only guitar it's ever happened to. Oh sure, I've broken plenty of E strings, but only the Fly has unwound them from the ball. When I put on a new set, it's the only string I don't stretch now, because I've discovered the chances of a ball unwind are vastly increased when I stretch the string on installation.

I can always tell when it's about to happen, too; my e starts going flat every 20 seconds or so. When that happens onstage, I call my tech over and just say "the E!" and he knows exactly what I'm talking about--he grabs an e from my bag of 20 extra e strings, and if the guitar makes it through the whole song, hands me my backup and changes the string during the next song.

It's probably happened 30 times in the five years I've owned the guitar, and I've tried D'Darrio, Dean Markely (Blue Steels), SIT's, GHS Boomers, Elixers, those "Trailer Trash" strings (can't remember the brand, but each pack features a characiture of a goofy, buck-toothed redneck), Ernie Balls, Carvins, Darcos, Snarling Dogs, D'Aquistos, John Pearse, and even Snake Oils (Snake Oil is a great-sounding string, by the way). The only brand I've ever tried that it didn't happen to is DR, but that's probably because I've only used those once (a set of Lo-Riders).I've used both 9's and 10's, tuned at concert pitch and tuned a half-step down.

So let's see... in 40 years of playing, it's happened to only one guitar, and it's happened over and over on that guitar despite bi-weekly string changes using a 15 or 16-brand manufacturer pool. Anybody wanna tell me I just coincidentally happened to get 30 bad batches from 15 different manufacturers, and all of them just happened to be on this one brand of guitar (of the four I currently play live)?
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: plan-x on November 18, 2008, 02:00:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by plan-x

What I do is thread the string thru the barrel, create a loop, thread it again thru the loop and you've got a knot. Mine don't unravel anymore. This adds about 30 sec. to a string change.

John....plan-x


Guaranteed, This will work.

Edit:
Oh, I checked, I posted this before on 12/6/2006. Make a sticky.[;)]
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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: cgarlie on November 21, 2008, 10:54:05 AM
Thanks for the tip. This actually happened to me the other evening -- couldn't believe it -- never broken a string in that way before. Anyone figured out how the Parker bridge does this?

Thanks again,
Charlie


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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 908ssp on November 21, 2008, 01:54:55 PM
If someone is still having this trouble on a regular basis they should try putting a drop of super glue on the twisted part of the high E string. IF that worked it should would be a simple fix.

Unless someone does some experiments reenacting the stresses on the string and can see the circumstances and reliably predict the needed variables any explanation is speculation and guess work. Mine included.[;)]

Here is a guess. In an earlier discussion we talked about the string breaking on the edge of the hole inside the trem and a couple people have noted that they rounded the edge off and it seemed to help. So is it possible that the hole is squeezing the wires together making them run parallel and this reduced angle allows the wires to unwrap? If the wires aren't pushed together the angle  is greater and the stress tightens the wrap. The top drawing would be the good one as angle of the wires is greater the bottom drawing shows the bridge forcing the wires together making the angle smaller.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: antognioni68 on December 06, 2008, 06:37:23 AM
Hello friends, first of all sorry about my poor english cause I'm spanish. I own three parkers and everyone of them has the same unwinding problem with 1st and 2nd string. I love these guitars but the Factory should fix this trouble inmediately. I think have a good solution, nowadays I never break a string at that point:
Just a simple flexible and thin plastic tube, I cut a little portion of it, I give an extra turn to the ball of the string to reduce the V-shape opening, and I introduce the string on the little tube. It doesn't affect the tone of the string and solve the problem.
Just give it a try!!!
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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: bluffalo on December 06, 2008, 08:40:02 AM
That is a very good idea, and i will be doing that with the next set of strings i put on.

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 908ssp on December 06, 2008, 09:52:22 AM
Welcome to the Parker Forum.[:D]

Did you try the extra twist of the string without the tubing?

The tubing is cool SRV did that so you're in good company. The tubing makes a lot of sense if the string is breaking on the sharp edge inside. If the string is unwinding the extra twist makes more sense. So doing both might be perfect.

Do you know where that tubing came from? What it is usually used for?

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: antognioni68 on December 06, 2008, 12:36:17 PM
Hi again, I'm happy you find this trick useful, I can say that works for me for the last three years.
Yes, I give the extra turn to the ball before to put the string into the plastic tube.
Where can you find this kind of plastic tube??? Well, I don't know exactly where. I found it at home, but I imagine it could be found at Handcrafts stores (sorry, I don't know the exact english word for it).
Just with the extra turn to the ball may be enough to avoid the unwinding, the key is to close a little bit the V-shape space within the ball. But with the plastic tube I'm sure I can make a gig without any unexpected breaking.
Bye and best regards.
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Darter on December 07, 2008, 11:58:29 AM
Heatshrink.
Radioshack.
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Post by: VHDon on December 11, 2008, 12:03:37 AM
that's a new tactic....jump into an existing thread instead of starting a seperate one...not a good sign of things to come
Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Paul Marossy on December 11, 2008, 09:09:14 AM
That green tubing looks to me like it's a lot smaller in diameter than your typical heat shrink tubing...

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 908ssp on December 11, 2008, 11:31:24 AM
I have to repeat I think the extra twist is what is making the difference not the tubing. If you look at his picture the way that is twisted the string won't be hitting any edges near the ball end so the tubing can't really have any effect. Won't hurt mind you. I have seen tiny shrink tubing but that is a lot more trouble than giving the string and extra twist. I'll be doing that from now on. I embarrassed I didn't think of it.[:I]

It follows the logic in my post above and fits this drawing where the tighter wind would be the top drawing and the loose wind the bottom drawing.
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Alex

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: 908ssp on December 11, 2008, 12:27:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by antognioni68

...I give an extra turn to the ball of the string to reduce the V-shape opening, ....


You missed it. Just grab the twist with a small pliers and put a small allan wrench in the ball and give it a turn.

Alex

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Title: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: Johnnyo21 on December 21, 2008, 09:13:38 AM
I have used D'addario for 20 years and in the last year the same unwinding phenomenon has happened to me 5 times.  3 Times on Parkers and 2 times on my Gretsch.  I contatcte D'addario and gave them a batch number.  They said it was the first they have heard of it.  hmmmmm
Title: Re: High E string keeps unwinding on ball end!
Post by: mmnoyn on July 10, 2018, 10:37:07 AM
Thread the string through the "ball" end hole.
Every high e used to unwind or break at the "ball" on my Stetsbar trem until I did this .
Not one string has broken since