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Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on July 26, 2011, 11:22:28 AM
HI all,
I'm sure you've heard about the Axe FX.  You may have heard that a new model came out recently, Axe FX II which improves on processing power and mainly quality of amp "simulations"  I put simulations in quotes because I think that this unit has gone beyond simulation.

I received mine 3 days ago and almost lived with it since I got it.  It helps that I am a pro musician and that's what I do for a living so I had time on my hand to actually explore the unit.

I went through a short period of frustration which resolved as soon as I realized I was running into problems with my audio interface.  That behind me I delved into the potential of the system and actually did two shows with it.  A really short one and a full blown gig with over 2 hours of playing.

Being that I am brand new to the system, I only had time to set up three presets to my complete satisfaction including Instant Access Switches to turn effects on and off and continuous controllers for Delay, Wha, etc.

I plugged in direct to the board for FOH sound and ran In Ear monitors for the whole show.   I had a small on-stage monitor as a back up in case the IEM flaked out.
All right  ... ready? ...

WOW!!!


This thing is unreal.  The amps sound amazingly real.  Go from raging distortion to crisp cleans just by rolling off the volume of the guitar.  SRV-style break up and shimmers, EJ type cleans, and much, much more.

In fact, I dialed in a Dumble tone which rivaled my Dumble Clone and, somewhat to my frustration, sounded in fact better.  I say frustration only because I like being right, like most of us, and I have to admit that a digital machine can sound better than tubes.  That's weird.  

I was such a snob when it came to that, and despite using a Cybertwin for years because of versatility, I always missed the response and feel of tubes.

Well I now have both.  In fact, the versatility of the Axe is far beyond what the 'Twin ever hopes to achieve.

Can you tell that I'm impressed?  I'm dumping all my gear.  The Axe FX II has successfully replaced everything I owned (except my guitars!)



Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: stevie axeman on July 26, 2011, 11:40:32 AM
The ads for the new model do indeed make interesting/compelling reading - can you post up some mp3s so the rest of us can hear what we are missing?  :-)
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on July 26, 2011, 01:20:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by stevie axeman

The ads for the new model do indeed make interesting/compelling reading - can you post up some mp3s so the rest of us can hear what we are missing?  :-)

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I definitely plan on it!

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Bill on July 26, 2011, 05:05:49 PM
Thanks Patzag for that review.

I think this is the future for pro musicians.

As an amateur though I dread having to learn the technical aspects of digital processing and the various programs. Recording on GB is about my limit. And it tests me to the limit. Someone gave me the TC Helicon Voice Live to play with but just trying to read the manual gave me a headache.

For an amateur hack like me, there is something great about hitting that amp switch and instantly having my music come out the other end.

That said I would love to try the AX.

Do you feel you have to go to tech school to use it ?

Do you process acoustics and piezo's  with it too ?



A few Flys in my soup
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on July 26, 2011, 06:56:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Bill

Thanks Patzag for that review.

I think this is the future for pro musicians.

As an amateur though I dread having to learn the technical aspects of digital processing and the various programs. Recording on GB is about my limit. And it tests me to the limit. Someone gave me the TC Helicon Voice Live to play with but just trying to read the manual gave me a headache.

For an amateur hack like me, there is something great about hitting that amp switch and instantly having my music come out the other end.

That said I would love to try the AX.

Do you feel you have to go to tech school to use it ?

Do you process acoustics and piezo's  with it too ?



A few Flys in my soup



Hi Bill,
Thanks for the comments.
Tech School? No.  You can be up and running in almost no time with the Axe FX II.  I heard the older model was much more complex to program.  This one is "fairly" easy.  And the presets are good enough to be able to use right out of the box, which is rare for this type of unit.

I have a knack for this type of gear so maybe I'm looking at it through biased eyes.  But in fact I find it very easy to use.

If you've ever set up a pedal board, it's about the same thing.  There's a virtual signal chain and you populate the empty boxes with pedals, amps and effect and link them together with patch cables.  That's the easy part.

This thing can get as complex as you want to but it can also be easy.

The VERY good part is that I can lug 60 or 70 amps and a gazillion effects in a 2RU space and it sounds really, really good.  Much better than I thought it would.

I have not tried acoustic and piezo through this yet.  But I'm told it's also very sweet.  I'll let you know when I do.

Cheers,
Patrick


Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: MegaDroogie666 on July 27, 2011, 06:02:35 AM
I run my Parker through my Ultra in stereo and it sounds incredible. I pretty much don't need anything, not even a power amp. As Patzag said, straight to the FOH and IEM. I'm debating selling my Ultra and buying the II.

Title: Axe FX II
Post by: stevie axeman on July 27, 2011, 08:13:49 AM
would be interesting if the II can accept stereo inputs  - so different signal chains for mag and piezo
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on July 27, 2011, 01:57:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by stevie axeman

would be interesting if the II can accept stereo inputs  - so different signal chains for mag and piezo

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Hi Stevie!
It can absolutely.  There's enough processing power to run two entirely separate signal chains.  

I tested the unit with Piezo last night.  It's really a fantastic sounding system.  Clean, bright, very easy to configure and get a great sound from.  Fantastic reverbs and delays.  Yum!


Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: stevie axeman on July 27, 2011, 05:08:21 PM
Now i have GAS !!!
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: MegaDroogie666 on July 27, 2011, 05:37:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by stevie axeman

Now i have GAS !!!


Vigier Shawn Lane, Caparison Horus,  Schecter C7 Hellraiser ,  Blue/green-burst 09 Fly Deluxe , Natural Mahogany Fly Mojo, Brian Moore i9.13 ,Godin ACS-SA
Bogner XTC Classic (in Purple!),Fishman Performer amps
Roland GR33/Digitech GNX/Fishman Aura Blender, Sequis Motherload Elemental



story of our lives
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on July 27, 2011, 11:32:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by stevie axeman

Now i have GAS !!!


Vigier Shawn Lane, Caparison Horus,  Schecter C7 Hellraiser ,  Blue/green-burst 09 Fly Deluxe , Natural Mahogany Fly Mojo, Brian Moore i9.13 ,Godin ACS-SA
Bogner XTC Classic (in Purple!),Fishman Performer amps
Roland GR33/Digitech GNX/Fishman Aura Blender, Sequis Motherload Elemental



Sorry about that ... (not!)



Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: guitarmanuk on July 28, 2011, 09:34:56 AM
What if you don't have a proper FOH set up (just have a vocal PA), can you use it through a power amp of some sort and in to a speaker cab, or does that sort of defeat the object of it?  I love the idea of it, but I worry that in a real world situation I would only use 1 or 2 % or what it is really capable of.
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on July 28, 2011, 09:59:07 AM
David:
The Axe, in my opinion, actually sounds a bit better through an amp and cab than direct.  Not by much, and only possibly because I'm still (very much) learning to use it.
I started using it through my Ceriatone power amp section into my beloved 1x12.  Sounded spectacular.  So not an issue if there's no FOH.  You can totally use it with your current rig.
And as far as only using 2% of it, who cares really?  If you manage to dial YOUR sound perfectly and finally cure the urge to change it all the time because it's not perfect, that'd be worth it.
I've done 3 gigs so far using 2 presets only.  Granted, each preset has a bunch of effects I can turn on and off at will (like a virtual pedal board), but still, 2 amps only.  And it sounded fantastic.

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: stevie axeman on July 28, 2011, 01:38:27 PM
Or as Allan Holdsworth once said when someone saw his 80s/90s enormo-rack :

"Why do you need all that gear when you only use 2 sounds???"
Allan - "How do you think i GET those 2 sounds???"
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Scanman413 on July 28, 2011, 03:54:17 PM
Stevie, I think you should talk to Fractal about being the official spokesman; I mean, you ARE the axeman! [:D]( Just trying to help ya,Bro!)

2001 Fly Classic
2009 NiteFly Mojo
Schecter Solo-6
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Title: Axe FX II
Post by: resist2112 on July 28, 2011, 06:14:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by stevie axeman

Or as Allan Holdsworth once said when someone saw his 80s/90s enormo-rack :

"Why do you need all that gear when you only use 2 sounds???"
Allan - "How do you think i GET those 2 sounds???"



That made me chuckle... [:D]

Jeff

2011 Fly Mojo "Tangerine"
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76 Les Paul Goldtop, Dean Cadillac, 2 Teles, Strat, Taylor 614ce, and a few other toss arounds
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Nefarius on July 29, 2011, 04:06:25 AM
First of all congratulations Patzag, gotta love those new-toy-days! [;)]

I'm sure it's very nice when all you have to do is plugging into the FOH / stage PA / rehearsal PA and you're done. Also very simple for recording, just one cable to your interface - et voilà.

What I'm not sure about is what the ideal setup for classic home use and practice would be, especially when using not only the amp emulations but the speaker simulations too. My guess would be running it through a guitar amp's power stage and a cabinet would pretty much defeat the purpose as it will end up coloring the sound and adding power distortion and compression at certain volume levels. To get the most of the unit and its features a full range speaker would be the way to go IMO, the easiest way probably being a good active monitor wedge.

Any ideas / input / feedback on that?

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: stevie axeman on July 29, 2011, 04:47:42 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Scanman413

Stevie, I think you should talk to Fractal about being the official spokesman; I mean, you ARE the axeman! [:D]( Just trying to help ya,Bro!)



darn - I wish !!!!
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on July 29, 2011, 05:57:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Nefarius

First of all congratulations Patzag, gotta love those new-toy-days! [;)]

I'm sure it's very nice when all you have to do is plugging into the FOH / stage PA / rehearsal PA and you're done. Also very simple for recording, just one cable to your interface - et voilà.

What I'm not sure about is what the ideal setup for classic home use and practice would be, especially when using not only the amp emulations but the speaker simulations too. My guess would be running it through a guitar amp's power stage and a cabinet would pretty much defeat the purpose as it will end up coloring the sound and adding power distortion and compression at certain volume levels. To get the most of the unit and its features a full range speaker would be the way to go IMO, the easiest way probably being a good active monitor wedge.

Any ideas / input / feedback on that?

Greetings...
Nef



I asked my FOH sound guy how he liked my guitar sound.  He said, well, he took all EQ off and now it sounds perfect.  Like it's already mixed.  So this is definitely a way to go.
That being said, I also ran the direct out through the power amp section of my Ceeriatone and also my little PV classic 30.  Just go into global settings, defeat cab simulation, and Bob's your uncle.  Sounded great ALSO.
So .. you can go both ways.  They both work.
You can also run a full range system through a Tube stereo amplifier and get just a bit of the tube drive that way.  Frankly, going direct is working for me.  I carry my whole rig now in a 2RU rack and a bag for my controller.  Sounds godly!


Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: rollingthunder on August 02, 2011, 07:55:58 AM
I was just reading about this product in an interview with Tosin Abasi the other day. Thanks so much for the post - it's huge to hear the opinions of people who have used the gear and (likely) are not sponsored.


- bill

2010 Fly Mojo Cherry Flame
2006 Fly Mojo Natural
1989 Steinberger GM4T
Line 6 Spider MKII w/ shortboard
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on August 02, 2011, 07:21:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rollingthunder

I was just reading about this product in an interview with Tosin Abasi the other day. Thanks so much for the post - it's huge to hear the opinions of people who have used the gear and (likely) are sponsored.


- bill

2010 Fly Mojo Cherry Flame
2006 Fly Mojo Natural
1989 Steinberger GM4T
Line 6 Spider MKII w/ shortboard



I wish I were sponsored by Fractal. [8D]

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: mountaindewaddict on August 03, 2011, 10:39:40 AM
Patrick, Faze, what would you estimate the cost to be of putting together a Fractal driven rig (i.e., AxeFx II, midi foot controller, small rack to protect the Fractal, possibly with a Furman power conditioner, and all the necessary cables)?

Also, what level of quality of IEM do you need otherwise you're just not gonna hear the quality that the Fractal is capable of?  Thanks.

Casey

Gear: Parker Fly Deluxe, NiteFly NFV2, Way Huge Pedals, Egnater amps, other stuff...
God Bless!
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: rollingthunder on August 03, 2011, 11:36:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Patzag

quote:
Originally posted by rollingthunder

I was just reading about this product in an interview with Tosin Abasi the other day. Thanks so much for the post - it's huge to hear the opinions of people who have used the gear and (likely) are sponsored.



I wish I were sponsored by Fractal. [8D]

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II



oops....there was supposed to be a "not" in there. I'll fix that.

Sorry - I really meant that to *not* be snarky...

lol...


- bill

2010 Fly Mojo Cherry Flame
2006 Fly Mojo Natural
1989 Steinberger GM4T
Line 6 Spider MKII w/ shortboard
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: resist2112 on August 03, 2011, 07:50:27 PM
I suppose in a home setting with cabinet emulation, you could even run it through your home stereo. I have a digitech 2120 that I run through my 7.1 that sounds so lush that I can nearly sink my teeth it. I would not be surprised if the axe fx could not do the same. I don't play too loud in that setup being that I live in an apartment. But for quiet to medium volumes, It really shines
.

Jeff

2011 Fly Mojo "Tangerine"
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76 Les Paul Goldtop, Dean Cadillac, 2 Teles, Strat, Taylor 614ce, and a few other toss arounds
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on August 03, 2011, 09:08:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mountaindewaddict

Patrick, Faze, what would you estimate the cost to be of putting together a Fractal driven rig (i.e., AxeFx II, midi foot controller, small rack to protect the Fractal, possibly with a Furman power conditioner, and all the necessary cables)?

Also, what level of quality of IEM do you need otherwise you're just not gonna hear the quality that the Fractal is capable of?  Thanks.

Casey

Gear: Parker Fly Deluxe, NiteFly NFV2, Way Huge Pedals, Egnater amps, other stuff...
God Bless!






Hey Casey,
Well ... I had to offload a bunch of stuff and scrape some barrels to be able to put this together.
Axe II - $2199.00 if you;re on the waiting list $2599.00 if you want to jump the line.
Rack - Less than $100.00
Furman - Why?  The Axe can take anything from 100 - 240 V and from 43 to 63 Hz.  Not an issue.  If you want it just for the lights, get lights.  (My 2 cents)
Midi controller.  I'm getting the MFC from fractal. Used. About $600 give or take.  New it's 750.  I'm using the Behringer FCB 1010 right now and it works great as long as you get the UNO chip which allows you to use 5 switches for presets and 5 for on/off switches.  Not enough but it's a good start.  If you buy the MFC or Rocktron Axess, you also need expression pedals.  So the FCB is a good deal as it has 2 good expression pedals and it's built like a tank.  Used, $190 bucks with the phantom option.
IEM - hum.  that's a chunk if you want it to sound good.  My band owns IEM so I didn't have to pay for that.  About 1400 for the hardware and then the ears.  Another 400 to 800 depending on how custom you go.
I'll let you do the math [:D]

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on August 16, 2011, 10:47:09 PM
Hey guys:  A clip on my white custom, using a SINGLE preset on the Axe:  Sorry for the messy notes.  Just noodlin'!

http://soundcloud.com/patzag/wrecked-sample

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: BrainWorm on August 16, 2011, 11:58:49 PM
Something sounds good, don't know if it's the Axe or the guitar.

"Brainverms come crawling and creeping and eat you when you're sleeping."
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: mountaindewaddict on August 17, 2011, 10:36:24 AM
Pat, that's incredible!  Man, what a killer tone!  Kinda gave me an eargasm. [;)] Sweet playing too.  [:D]

Casey

Gear: Parker Fly Deluxe, NiteFly NFV2, Way Huge Pedals, Egnater amps, other stuff...
God Bless!
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: doombilly on August 17, 2011, 03:24:01 PM
Nice.
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: danjazzny on August 17, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
Sweet indeed! [8D]

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Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Bill on August 17, 2011, 05:18:09 PM
Dude, thats some yummy tone.

Eargasm x 2 !

You stole Mayer's stuff. [:p]

A few Flys in my soup
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on August 17, 2011, 07:12:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Bill


You stole Mayer's stuff. [:p]

A few Flys in my soup



Hey!  He stole it from Jimi.  I just stole a few notes of it back [;)]

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Bill on August 17, 2011, 08:23:47 PM
[:)]

[8D]





A few Flys in my soup
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: billy on August 17, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
PSA - I just messed my pants...  so worth it though![:D]

Been away for awhile starting my new job and moving, what a great post to return to!

Great playing Patrick, and amazing to be able to pick out the Parker sound through the axe fx, which also seems great.

Killer combination that must be amazing live.  Sound cloud seems pretty cool too!

Thanks for posting!
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on August 18, 2011, 09:19:15 AM
Thanks Guys.
It is amazing live.  My sound man simply said that he just has no eq or processing of any kind on my channels and it sounds perfectly mixed.  Awesome!

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Nefarius on August 18, 2011, 09:20:13 AM
Investing some time researching this thing is getting more and more interesting, shame on that evil clip of yours (very nice, keep 'em coming)! [;)]

Especially when the alternative seems to be changing to just another big bad amp setup with lots of watts and blaring speakers that sure would sound great but still would end up being hard to control for different scenarios and expensive to get the most of in terms of versatility and switching limitations.

Getting an Axe FX and a Mark V sure is tempting but would be bordering decadence with those prices (besides throwing back my frivolous plans about another Custom Parker by years). [:P]

The problem is there's really just not a chance in hell to test drive those rare things, especially over here.

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on March 15, 2012, 01:20:06 PM
So I thought I'd update this thread a bit by adding a couple of clips I did.  

1. here's a Dumble-style preset I did to sound like one of my idols - Robben Ford.  In truth, I don't use this preset too much anymore.  I now use presets that sound like me [:)}.  But this shows off the Axe nicely.
http://soundcloud.com/patzag/talk-to-your-daughter-solo

2. Pat Metheny anyone?  here's a synth patch I made to sound like my other idol.  
http://soundcloud.com/patzag/are-you-going-with-me-axe

3. Stevie Wonder?  I always loved the clav.  This is a clean tone with a ring modulator set to track the pitch of the note.  Sounds pretty good and, not being a synth, has more "feel" to it.
http://soundcloud.com/patzag/clav

I'm having a ton of fun with my guitars and the Axe!

Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: danjazzny on March 15, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
Very nice! Especially "Talk to Your Daughter". [8D]

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Title: Axe FX II
Post by: billy on March 15, 2012, 06:16:20 PM
Very cool...!

Patrick, I don't recall, did you have the original axe fx, and then get the ii, or did you just get the ii?

Just wondering because there's a lot of axe ultras for sale these days.  Very appealing, so the question is, get a used ultra or keep saving for a ii?
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on March 15, 2012, 08:38:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by billy

Very cool...!

Patrick, I don't recall, did you have the original axe fx, and then get the ii, or did you just get the ii?

Just wondering because there's a lot of axe ultras for sale these days.  Very appealing, so the question is, get a used ultra or keep saving for a ii?

Billy

[always the beautiful answer who asks a more beautiful question.  e. e. cummings]



Hi Billy!
Never had an Ultra.  I know a few people that did who upgraded and are very happy they did.  I also know people who have an Ultra and are still very happy with it.  I think that it depends on what you want to do with it and a bit on your budget.

I had no budget when I decided to buy the Axe.  So I had to save for the whole amount.  I figured that if I was going to spend 2K on something, I'd rather spend it on something that's not EOL already.  there's no more development for the Ultra while the II is still evolving (5 major firmware updates in 9 months!), and the next one is supposed to be massive.

Now the truth is, I recovered my initial investment in  almost no time.  I sold pedals, amps, effect boxes and so forth.  There is not a single effect I owned that I could not reproduce accurately with the Axe - and with zero noise to boot - so this ended up being a no brainer.(Man, I should get paid by Fractal Audio for writing something like that!)


Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: billy on March 16, 2012, 07:04:33 AM
Cool, thanks Patrick!

These days I'm pretty much just noodling, but I like to record my own music.  What I have isn't too bad but starting to feel a little dated. ( Which means in 10 more years it should be worth some $$...).

I dont hear any of the digitalness that seems to be part of many fx units in your's or others' clips, its pretty organic sounding. The idea of a two space unit that does it all is really appealing too.  A little gas that helps downsize?  Sign me up!

The ii has USB so that might be worth it right there vs the ultra, so I'll probably keep saving!
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: lucgravely on March 16, 2012, 10:43:36 AM
Pat, Are those clips recorded with XLR out strait to a A/D? I'm impressed regardless..  :)
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on March 16, 2012, 11:00:37 AM
I concur.  The USB is a great plus and there is no digital sounding artifacts.
Some of the cabinet IRs are a bit off-sounding to me but I just don't use them.
One of the beta tester put up a nice setting of a mix of near field and far field IRs and that solved the in-the-room sound issues I had had in the past with this unit.  I am now 100% happy.



Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on March 16, 2012, 11:03:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by lucgravely

Pat, Are those clips recorded with XLR out strait to a A/D? I'm impressed regardless..  :)

Luc Gravely
Parker Fly Mojo Single Cut
Parker Fly Deluxe
Mesa/Boogie Mark I
1966 Fender BandMaster
A few pedals...




Hey Luc,
These clips are recorded straight USB into Reaper.  The only time the clips say the analog light of day is when they hit your amplifier.  The XLR out sounds identical.



Pearl White Custom Dragonfly HSH 2010 / Voodoo Blackburst Custom S3 2011 / Ceriatone HRM amplifier / Axe FX II
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: Nefarius on March 19, 2012, 08:13:28 AM
Again very tasty stuff. I think it's ideal when your gear inspires you to find something new every time you use it.
And it certainly sounds to be that way here.
Enjoy and keep posting!

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Axe FX II
Post by: billy on March 19, 2012, 09:10:07 AM
+1, probably a good thing for all the other stuff on my to-do list that I don't have one at the moment!
Title: Axe FX II - Ceriatone - Attenuator (which one?)
Post by: kbgeezer99 on November 20, 2012, 09:17:50 AM
Patrick and all,

now this forum is so great ! after millions of hours of research, trial in the store and pretending at home there is a cool time before Christmas and gear almost costs nothing that time (and btw: wife, we don't need anything else like car, house-repair etc..all we need is good sound ;-) ) the forum seems to solve everything: its the Ceriatone OTS for the good tone.

....but after reading this thread you guys do recommend to throw all over board (besides the Flys) and just go with the Axe II? No amp? so for home (no stadium or club gigs) and the hobby cellar musician (but that professionally hahahaha) it is the AXE II and nothing else, right?
No tube-amp like the Ceriatone anymore?...I do love this dumble tone thingie with single coils.

...it also means the SSS custom-fly (21-22 fret) has to start asap ;-)

Klaus
PS: still, the ceriatone amp seems to be 'the' dumble clone. only downside...for home use no doubt an attenuator is needed and again there are millions of hours research ahead ;-)
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on November 20, 2012, 02:31:55 PM
Hey Klaus,
That's what I did.  I had the Ceriatone and it was and IS a fantastic amplifier.  I finally had it set up to do what I wanted and using it with the G System from TC I had good control over it.  But it is a one-tone machine and the TC electronics sounded, to me, a bit sterile.
In comes the AFII.  I kept the Ceriatone for a long time.  First I used it a bit still and then finally not at all.  The Speaker simulation on the Axe is actually very good when you take the time to figure out how to make it work.  Theres some recent offerings from Fractal and Ownhammer that make the set up even simpler because they sound great without tweak.  But just like a real amp can sound like sh*t with a lousy cab, the Axe set up with the wrong IR can also sound bad.

Now the last month I have been using the public beta of the last firmware revision - 9.0b.  The Axe has been wonderful since day one and has only gotten better with firmware revisions.  But this last thing is really, really, really good.  I did a two hour show with a single preset, just rolling off some volume to get a clean tone, pushing it to get some edge and wide open for that great Marshall stack goodness.  I was amazed at this. 

I'm not a company fanboy, except when it comes to Parker.  And I've even come back from that a bit.  But Fractal Audio is a very, very fine company with a very, very fine product and a service and support like no other.  The upgrades that have been supplied at no extra charge in the last year+ are astounding.
I have endless tonal possibilities and limitless choices in sculpting the ultimate guitar sound.  This box goes where no tube amp has ever gone before, I can tell you that. 

In fact, in my mind, it's no longer "does it sound like a tube amp".  It has gone beyond that.  It can do the tube thing, but it is now a tool of creation, not just emulation.
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: kbgeezer99 on November 22, 2012, 04:17:14 AM
Thanks Patrick !!

Btw..you were right. No more waiting list in Europe....so, Santa Klaus will bring to Klaus his latest big boys toys. yeah.
And the Ceriatone has just gone to the waiting list ;-) ...will be pulled upon next GAS.
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on November 22, 2012, 09:35:50 AM
Congratulations!  LEt me know when you get it and what your feedback is!
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Nefarius on November 23, 2012, 04:27:09 AM
...and when you finally get home to Graz and we can jam!

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: captain_rusty on January 03, 2013, 04:56:55 AM
darn. I stumbled across this (I don't often look in the "amps" section) this morning, and I've been GASsing for an Axe Fx for the last 3 hours. It's stopping me from working :)

Those clips are incredible. I'm already quite keen on the idea of going direct to the PA - I do it sometimes with my Korg AX3000 - but my goodness what a difference compared to the sound that I get with the Korg.

Going to have to start saving up / preparing the sales talk for the wife :D
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: simeon on January 03, 2013, 06:06:12 AM

Going to have to start saving up / preparing the sales talk for the wife :D

go for it!

you'll end up selling all your old gear anyway

and it's always good to be nice to the wife  ;D
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Gorbyrev on April 01, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
Getting an Axe-Fx Ultra was the most expensive gear decision I have ever made but I am so glad I did. Many people are worried that you can't try one out which is fair enough. It might pay Fractal to put demo machines out but they seem to be able to sell every one they make. I was 6 months on G66's list for mine and frankly the 30 day money back is a bit useless because it took me quite a while to come to grips with the unit. My experience is that you kind of have to put your faith in it and have a go. Once that happens it rewards in spadefuls! I went from running it with the cabs disabled through a Rocktron Velocity 120 (it replaced a Voodu Valve) and a Marshall 1936 2x12. But I eventually found my monitoring stereo set up which comprises of a cheap Denon hi-fi amp and Wharfdale Diamonds did a much better job. Had a very brief chat with Ty Tabor and he had done a similar thing. He started using the effects but was drawn into using the amp blocks too. He is a tone monster and those Egnater / Randall custom rigs were to die for, yet he chose to use the Ax. Mr Petrucci also used it straight for some overdubs on the last album though his main tone is still the Boogies. The real trick with the Axe-Fx is to remember you are hearing the finished sound - like listening to a recording rather than working with a combo or cab that then needs a mic and preamp to finish the tone. Haven't heard an Axe-Fx II but the Ultra replaced all my gear and sounds wonderful with a Fly. The strength of the unit is that instead of trying to get all the sounds I want from a one amp set up, I can access a full range of guitar tones, both classic and new. It also has the most powerful eq-ing you could imagine with graphics and parametrics that can radically alter your tone.  If you buy one second hand you can probably pass it on for what you paid for it so no hardship there! But for me I couldn't imagine using anything else.
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Ajo1984 on December 02, 2014, 10:17:03 AM
Ugh.

I want one.  :) :) :'( :'( :'( :) :) :)
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: bembamboo on December 25, 2014, 03:56:00 PM
see youtube Lunch w/ Dan Boul, 65 Amps, 12.17.14 at 55:00 for discussion of piezos and kemper/AX FXII by big (900,000+ watts) venue pro sound man tom abraham

woulda gave the link but last time big brother locked my thread talking about their discussion of the future of tube amps
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Bagatell on December 27, 2014, 09:06:01 AM
see youtube Lunch w/ Dan Boul, 65 Amps, 12.17.14 at 55:00 for discussion of piezos and kemper/AX FXII by big (900,000+ watts) venue pro sound man tom abraham

woulda gave the link but last time big brother locked my thread talking about their discussion of the future of tube amps

http://youtu.be/VyxAAqzO14E?t=55m (http://youtu.be/VyxAAqzO14E?t=55m)
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: aleclee on December 27, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Totally not my experience.  My AxeFx sits in a mix better than a lot of tube amps I've owned, particularly Soldanos.
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on December 28, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
I did a show just his past week where I had the opportunity to get the show recorded on Pro Tools.  No EQ, no tweak, no futzing around.  My guitar track sat so well in the mix that the thing sounded like a polished studio recording.  It sounds like this live all the time.  I would not want to revert to amps-cabs-mics.  I'll try to post an excerpt later today - you can decide for yourself.
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Big Swifty on January 02, 2015, 03:23:43 AM
I've been using one for a couple of years now, it's great. Lots of options, lots of tweak-ability, sounds fantastic. The only issue is i can't keep up with the updates, which come thick and fast!

Big Swifty
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: daynwarren on January 02, 2015, 05:49:38 PM
If anyone is tired of their Axe-fx and wants a custom MIDI Stealth, contact me!
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on January 02, 2015, 08:09:40 PM
I'm actually selling my AxeFX to buy the XL model.  But not interested in trades.  I need the mullah for the XL! 
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: Patzag on February 13, 2015, 01:12:44 PM
Hi Guys,
I thought that I'd add some recent recordings I did with the latest Beta firmware from Fractal.  These are not there t show off my sloppy playing but just to share some tones.  All played with my Fly Classic (What an awesome axe!)

The first is based on Larry Carlton's "It was Only Yesterday". I haven't learned the tune more than to be able to sketch it, but it lends itself quite well to the OD channel.

The second is on a crappy track of "Ain't Got Nothing But The Blues" where I recorded with the Clean ODS and used a Zen Drive in the second part.

The third is a track I'm working on called Aquamarine.  This is a sloppy 1-pass recording showing off the model Dirty Shirley from Friedman.  Pretty much stock settings with a little bit of tweak of tone, little verb and delay.

https://soundcloud.com/patzag/axe-fx-fw-18-demo-only-yesterday-od-100-hrm  (https://soundcloud.com/patzag/axe-fx-fw-18-demo-only-yesterday-od-100-hrm)
https://soundcloud.com/patzag/axe-fx-fw18-demo-hrm-clean-with-zen (https://soundcloud.com/patzag/axe-fx-fw18-demo-hrm-clean-with-zen)
https://soundcloud.com/patzag/aquamarine (https://soundcloud.com/patzag/aquamarine)

Let me know what you think
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: guitarmanuk on February 15, 2015, 08:45:41 AM
They all sound good to me and definitely no sloppy playing there!  8)
Title: Re: Axe FX II
Post by: danjazzny on February 15, 2015, 09:11:12 AM
Sure wish I could play sloppy like that!  :)