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Title: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: sybersitizen on April 11, 2016, 05:12:55 AM
The Parker factory has been closed down for some months. With no further news being offered, many of us have assumed it was the end of the line. Now, suddenly, this message has appeared on the website:

"To our loyal Parker Guitars enthusiasts,
The Parker Guitar line up is currently being updated for re-release in 2017. To receive future notices for when the exciting new models will be available, please sign up for our mailing list at the bottom of this page.
Thank you for your continued support!"

(http://thesybersite.com/parker/parker-2017-message.jpg)

Let the speculation begin!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: ubo on April 11, 2016, 01:21:33 PM
Watch this space as they say... here's hoping  :)
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Patzag on April 11, 2016, 01:56:09 PM
Definitely watching this thread!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on April 11, 2016, 03:33:26 PM
I put a call in to my usm guy. We'll see if he has anything to say.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: neilderemer on April 11, 2016, 04:06:51 PM
Sounds nice... but I take it with a grain of salt. I want to believe they are talking about usa made parkers but my gut says more import models....and that would just be a disappointment
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: JamieCrain on April 11, 2016, 04:36:43 PM
That is great news.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jb63 on April 11, 2016, 05:36:07 PM
If they have the right stuff, the guitars can be made anywhere.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: alber.t on April 11, 2016, 05:46:07 PM
With good materials, good ideas, good professionals and pasion, PArker could have a place in the guitar world of these days. No matter where  ;Dare made, quality care.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jjozwia on April 11, 2016, 06:31:15 PM
Look forward to what the future has to offer!  I'm sure they will be a great new addition to the Parker story.  Always forward looking but who knows, maybe there will be retro models for those in love with the pre-refined and/or early refined models  :)



Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jjozwia on April 11, 2016, 06:33:11 PM
Actually I don't think my last post captured my enthusiasm,   *%#*?#* stoked seeing this news!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Big Swifty on April 12, 2016, 01:36:21 AM
Thanks for the heads syber!

Well, cool!

Hope they gonna make good ones though.

Big Swifty.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Paul Marossy on April 12, 2016, 08:43:27 AM
I want to believe they are talking about usa made parkers but my gut says more import models....and that would just be a disappointment

+1
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: daynwarren on April 12, 2016, 09:17:04 AM
Cue press-release for a slew of new import models - I don't see this being a re-release of pre-refined or refined or even Dragonfly type guitars.

I wouldn't get my hopes up...
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: alber.t on April 12, 2016, 04:29:27 PM
I hope that they make fly parts; springs, nuts, saddles... Honestly I want that they work in USA. I live in Spain and we admire your good work.  ;)
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: AndyI on April 12, 2016, 04:38:49 PM
I heard a few months ago from a pretty good source that they were looking at outsourcing production offshore - eastwards. Perhaps something has changed since then and they are re-looking at building USA Fly's again. I hope so, but I suspect not.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on April 12, 2016, 08:04:49 PM
A new Parker line up?
 I certainly hope so, and I hope it's at least equal to the PDF models, but until I see one for sale somewhere I'm still skeptical.

 I bought my first PDF, online, sight unplayed, because none were in town (Denver, Colorado), that ain't right folks, and it will never sell guitars.

 It was 2012 so I have to admit that Parker was in decline, but as I said before here in the forum, that particular online retailer had over 600 for sale then. They had a great tech who was able to exactly describe the PDF 105 for me.

So please bring on the new line up but get into the hands of the buyers.



**(USM please feel free to PM for my contact info. I'd be glad to take any new models for a test drive!)
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Piplodocus on April 13, 2016, 06:48:24 AM
If they can do the full carbon wrap neck/back Dragonfly (Maxxfly) DF824, but work out a way to do a matt finish neck with it, with flame maple top in tasteful colours, and bring back the tension wheel/step stop, I'll possibly sh*t my pants. Unfortunately that may be unlikely and would mean another loan though, and I still haven't finished paying off my last Mojo Flame I bought in a "arrrgggghhh, they've stopped production" frenzy...
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: resettheconsole on April 13, 2016, 09:26:13 AM
If they can do the full carbon wrap neck/back Dragonfly (Maxxfly) DF824, but work out a way to do a matt finish neck with it, with flame maple top in tasteful colours, and bring back the tension wheel/step stop,...

Phew, that's some wishful thinking. If they made a Fly 7 with the aforementioned bits, I'd be in line right quick. But even if USM goes back into full-force USA production, I think the step stop, balance wheel, easy access truss rod, and possibly even the proper Fly headstock are relics never to be recreated.

I'd love to be proven wrong.


Unrelated: have you ever tried a Stealth? They had a bit more of a matt finish on them. Might be just right for ya.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on April 13, 2016, 09:48:52 AM
Don't want to burst any bubbles,  but keep in mind all the custom shop parts and machinery to make those parts in house has been sold off and liquidated.  Meaning whoever takes over would need to build everything from scratch. The only place that has machinery any longer is overseas.  Can you dig it?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jester700 on April 13, 2016, 11:45:44 AM
Don't want to burst any bubbles,  but keep in mind all the custom shop parts and machinery to make those parts in house has been sold off and liquidated.  Meaning whoever takes over would need to build everything from scratch. The only place that has machinery any longer is overseas.  Can you dig it?
True. Though I'll say that I'd be fine with import-only if they stepped up the quality just a bit. I mean, PRS has some sweet Korean made guitars, and I think the Parker form factor, with good parts (Sperzels, Duncans) made at that quality level - especially if they could add steel frets - would be all I'd need.

I do like my PDF80, but it's a notch below the USA bolt ons. Still, they wouldn't HAVE to be.

Having said this, my love of Parker is the weight, form factor, etc. Though I have a carbon wrapped one, I prefer my bolt on. I realize I'm in a small minority here.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jb63 on April 13, 2016, 01:32:07 PM
Plus ovens.
I'm not satisfied without ovens.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on April 13, 2016, 04:47:39 PM
Don't want to burst any bubbles,  but keep in mind all the custom shop parts and machinery to make those parts in house has been sold off and liquidated.  Meaning whoever takes over would need to build everything from scratch. The only place that has machinery any longer is overseas.  Can you dig it?
True. Though I'll say that I'd be fine with import-only if they stepped up the quality just a bit. I mean, PRS has some sweet Korean made guitars, and I think the Parker form factor, with good parts (Sperzels, Duncans) made at that quality level - especially if they could add steel frets - would be all I'd need.

I do like my PDF80, but it's a notch below the USA bolt ons. Still, they wouldn't HAVE to be.

Having said this, my love of Parker is the weight, form factor, etc. Though I have a carbon wrapped one, I prefer my bolt on. I realize I'm in a small minority here.
agreed.  Actually,  I also prefer the bolt on,  although the wrapped one is super cool also. I have not had the opportunity to try the USA pdf to compare it to the indo pdf. If anything,  I would think the bolt on models would continue (easier to manufacture) . Maybe they can do a neck like the Prs line. Kind of a body set neck. Sustain for days like a piano. Best guitar I ever owned was a prs 305 USA. (albeit I only own parkers now) .
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: neilderemer on April 13, 2016, 05:24:28 PM
Sounds to me like you guys need to try a nitefly if you like the bolt ons and want the carbon fiber neck. It's the best of both worlds, i love my 98 nitefly nfv4.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on April 13, 2016, 10:00:28 PM
Sounds to me like you guys need to try a nitefly if you like the bolt ons and want the carbon fiber neck. It's the best of both worlds, i love my 98 nitefly nfv4.
already in the process of doing a modern hybrid nitefly radial body and a nitefly 90s neck. I'm on it boss!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Nefarius on April 14, 2016, 03:41:59 AM
It definitely feels good to read that message. :D

However I won't get my hopes up until there's rock solid news about something that's on par or at least close to the full carbon Fly/DF models of the last few years. For all we know the "updated line" could end up consisting of slightly odd-shaped low quality oldschool tech Strat clones. :-X

Though I don't really care where something is made as long as it's well made I would like Parker Guitars to stay in the USA, if only to increase the chance to get some of the original crew back. But anything below an honest and wholehearted dedication to innovation and quality is bound to fail and won't attract my attention.

I remain cautiously pessimistic, however much I hope I'm wrong. :-\

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jester700 on April 14, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
Sounds to me like you guys need to try a nitefly if you like the bolt ons and want the carbon fiber neck. It's the best of both worlds, i love my 98 nitefly nfv4.

Not for me. I can't stand the rib poking upper horn on any Parker other than the DF/PDF/Dragonfly/Maxxfly. I got a nice Stealth thinking I could learn to like it anyway. Nope. But I see your point and wish there was a Maxxfly version.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: neilderemer on April 14, 2016, 09:18:45 AM
You just need to get a beer gut lol. As bad as it sounds us chunky dudes don't have that rib poking problem cause the guitar gets held out away from us hahaha.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on April 14, 2016, 09:22:29 AM
You just need to get a beer gut lol. As bad as it sounds us chunky dudes don't have that rib poking problem cause the guitar gets held out away from us hahaha.
I always wondered why I never had the issue... Lol
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: latetotheparty on April 27, 2016, 01:48:50 PM
My Cordoba C12 Limited is all the information I need that guitars coming out of China can be amazingly well-crafted instruments.  If China, Korea, or wherever wants to take over high end parker production and get the same results that the american made ones were getting, i'm all for it. 

(i've had a slew of MIJ Gibson knock-offs and all have been top notch... a couple LP's, a 335 as well.  fretwork and finishes have been stunning)
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on April 27, 2016, 06:43:07 PM
You can get quality stuff overseas, but it's usually not cheaper. You get what you pay for, in my experience. Would love to have them done domestically but would be very glad to see any new product.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on April 27, 2016, 09:00:19 PM
I'm so excited
and I just can't hide it
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it....

I don't care where they are made, as long as they do a good job. I am proud of my two USA made Parkers, but I understand we are a global economy.

I just hate to see the brand die. I know they are the best guitars for me, heck, I don't even have GAS anymore. But if my custom Parker ever breaks, I'd like a new one as close to "just like it" as I can get, even if it is made on the moon.

It's simply the best tool for the job I need it to do.

Insights and incites by Notes
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on April 28, 2016, 07:38:06 AM
My guitars will most likely never wear out, so I'm not too worried about replacement, but the design and features of Parkers should be kept alive.
 I'm just leary if a different body design is made it will be less Parker and more "standard" weight/design to make sales viable.  But it's all speculation until 2017 though eh?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on April 29, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Just a tidbit of info I have learned,  don't know if it means anything,  but one of my contacts was approached to send USM 20 whammy bars. Seems strange,  but maybe this means something??  Just sharing what I know. I hope to find out more about what that request could mean. 
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on April 30, 2016, 12:05:15 PM
***update *** this just in,  those 20 whammy bars are indeed for possible USA Parker guitars.  I was told they will make a limited run and limited colors.  It's still just a possibility at this time.  Call them up to place an order.  Maybe if they get enough requests it will happen. 
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Nigel Tufnel on June 25, 2016, 02:54:18 PM
Sounds nice... but I take it with a grain of salt. I want to believe they are talking about usa made parkers but my gut says more import models....and that would just be a disappointment
Surely, They (whoever "They" are) realize as well as we all do that the imported Parkers were the nail in the brand's coffin. I pray they aren't planning more of those abominations.
The first two generations of those were ok at their price point, but this brand was never about building "ok" guitars, was it?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on June 25, 2016, 09:34:57 PM
Sounds nice... but I take it with a grain of salt. I want to believe they are talking about usa made parkers but my gut says more import models....and that would just be a disappointment
Surely, They (whoever "They" are) realize as well as we all do that the imported Parkers were the nail in the brand's coffin. I pray they aren't planning more of those abominations.
The first two generations of those were ok at their price point, but this brand was never about building "ok" guitars, was it?

I have to say my PDF 105 model is a good guitar and better than those "major brand other guys" but its still not quite the adequate example of Parker originality or playability compared with the pre's and DF's I've played since first buying the 105.
So yeah I think an offshore Parker would have to be stellar to catch on or gain much attention especially here on the forum.
 That being said though, my Korean PM20 Pro is a stellar guitar so making a great one offshore is......possible?
Cheers!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on June 25, 2016, 10:34:02 PM
Sounds nice... but I take it with a grain of salt. I want to believe they are talking about usa made parkers but my gut says more import models....and that would just be a disappointment
Surely, They (whoever "They" are) realize as well as we all do that the imported Parkers were the nail in the brand's coffin. I pray they aren't planning more of those abominations.
The first two generations of those were ok at their price point, but this brand was never about building "ok" guitars, was it?

I disagree. The imports were most certainly not the same as the high end models, but they were still well above competitive brands' products in the same price ranges. I was pleasantly surprised when I finally was able to play a pdf60.

The problem for almost all the usm brands was crappy marketing combined with the inability of potential customers to try a high end version in a store. The imports should have been a gateway to higher end models but there was little or no marketing and sales support.

There are fantastic guitars coming from overseas these days, hopefully the lower labor costs will allow for nicer materials and new designs.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on June 26, 2016, 12:24:39 AM
I'll second that Billy. I was very pleased with the cheaper pdf 60 guitars. At least the ones from Indonesia.  I can't say about the models made in China. There are many skilled craftsman in Indonesia.  Heck,  rosewood (or sonnokeling as they call it) grows right there!  I almost wonder if it was losing that original stand out Fly shape. That's what comes to mind for probably anyone you talk to about these.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on June 30, 2016, 08:24:37 PM
Although I bought two USA Parker DF guitars, I have nothing against overseas construction.

I prefer to buy a made in USA product, and I expect to pay more for that.

The business is competitive, and Fender, Gibson, and others are building them overseas to sell them at a low price point. People look for bargains.

I understand the Epiphones made in China are excellent guitars - (I cruise the Gibson / Epiphone board now and then because I own an ES-330 and a Casino).

Most modern guitar factories seem to cut the wood with jigs, so really all that is needed is assembly and setup. There are enough people who can be taught to do a fine job in any country if the company cares to hire them.

I understand Mexican Fenders hold up well to their north of the border cousins too.

I would rather people buy USA guitars just as I would rather they hire local bands and that musicians would shop in their local home-owned music store instead of the big box or internet retailer. But that isn't going to happen.

I do think the Parker design is under-appreciated by the general public. They see Gibson, Fender and perhaps Ibanez as the top tier with Gretch, PRS, and Rics as second tier alternatives, the budget Gibson/Fender brands as wanna be guitars and everything else lumped into the "just too unpopular" category.

They don't know that the USA Parker is in every way as good or better as the comparable USA Gibsons and Fenders. Perhaps because Gibson and Fender have huge advertising budgets and with that kind of money they can put their guitar in the hands of the guitar idols when they are on stage or in a video.

I'd love to see Parker become at least as mainstream as Ibanez or even PRS. But I don't see that kind of promotion happening.

That said, I expect my two USA DF guitars to last for decades (barring an accident). Every guitar player that I let play them are amazed by them, but most of them still want to be seen with the Gibson or Fender headstock.

I'm glad I got mine when I did, the original and the custom job. They are a joy to play.

Insights and incites by Notes
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Bry Guy on July 09, 2016, 08:14:45 AM
I'm hopeful we will see US models, but I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't. But who knows?

Personally it's hard to call something a Parker if there isn't at least one CF based model in the line.

That being said, my PDF70FR was an incredible guitar. I only sold it to help pay for my Vernon Reid. In fact I was keeping it while I saved up for a VR, but a deal came along that I couldn't pass up. Otherwise I would have played that guitar for years. It was really that good.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: PDF105# on July 09, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
I owned a PDF105 as my first Parker. It was made in Indonesia and the fit and finish and playability was excellent. I gave it to my grandson as a high school graduation gift and promptly went out and bought a used Fly Mojo. Great guitars. I hope the reincarnation of US made Parkers becomes a reality. I love them.

PDF105#
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on September 04, 2016, 04:08:57 PM
My wife has a Korean PM10. The build, fit, and finish is flawless. It's the reason I bought my first DF sight unseen. And it did not disappoint.

I would love to see the brand stay alive, and renew the parts department.

It's a shame people are so brand conscious that they can't see something better because it doesn't say the right name on the headstock.

Time will tell.

And like most of us, I'm hoping for the phoenix to rise from the flames.

Notes
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on September 04, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
Aren't they all made on the same cnc machine with a computer program?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on September 05, 2016, 09:25:44 AM
Aren't they all made on the same cnc machine with a computer program?

CNC machines merely rough out blank stock, then either a machine or human sanders go to work.
Wood density varies and the milling process removes or leaves wood in slightly different amounts depending upon factors like wood density, grain pattern, and cutter sharpness.

Manufacturing videos show final body profiling and sanding is by hand and each tech sands a bit more or less than the others.

Looking to buy a US made one, I handled four Gibson SGJ's at GC a few years ago, each had entirely different neck profiles, they varied by being radius flatter versus slightly more rounded etc. The finishes were consistently the same color, patina, stain pattern. I could tell a different person had finished each one though.

 I was always unimpressed with the poor sanding at the interior radius of the horns where the end grain showed on the one I eventually bought. Neither perfect nor flawed simply poor (rushed) QC in my opinion.
 I've heard Gibby makes about 300 of each model during a daily production run so techs work fast.

That said, my Korean PM20 is a stellar off-shore guitar.
  Even as a used instrument there are no finish flaws.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on September 06, 2016, 07:55:44 AM
Mostly agree but the amount of hand finishing can vary quite a bit based on manufacturing efficiency goals.

The sweet spot can move to more finishing in the machine or by hand based on factors like tool changes, set ups, skill of operator, programmer, etc.

When I visited in 2011 there was only a little hand finishing where the joints were and to remove some light tooling marks. On a Parker there's a little more hand sanding that happens after the carbon fiber sheet was added post trim to clean up the edges.

There are some great overseas shops these days, so I'd be thrilled if they did this in the US but still happy to see the brand carry on.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: pirassic on September 14, 2016, 03:18:40 AM
Do US Music still own the Parker brand?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jjozwia on September 14, 2016, 06:42:54 AM
Believe so, USM Became a subsidy of Jam Industries a few years back however
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on September 14, 2016, 10:15:47 AM
<...>

That said, my Korean PM20 is a stellar off-shore guitar.
  Even as a used instrument there are no finish flaws.
My duo partner's Korean PM10 has such a nice build and finish quality, that I took a chance on a mail order US Parker DF and am very happy with it -- so happy I ordered a custom job.

To see the seam where the neck joins the body on her PM10, you have to take it into the bright sunlight. The grain almost matches and the stain is exactly the same color.

I have a Korean (Peerless factory) Epiphone Casino and it also has outstanding build quality.

Although I prefer to buy USA (just because) I have no problem with an import. A musician asks another without regard to race or creed, "Can you play well?" and that's all that matters. I ask of a new instrument, "Do you play well?" and that's all that matters.

Insights and incites by Notes
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: stevie axeman on October 23, 2016, 03:03:05 AM
Nicely written article with a few sound bites from Ken
https://reverb.com/news/the-difficulties-of-innovating-guitar-makers-and-the-burden-of-nostalgia?_aid=newsletterint&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=7f4bac1784-rnContent_20161023_uk&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5889ed6702-7f4bac1784-61032241
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jb63 on November 07, 2016, 09:21:25 PM
Nicely written article with a few sound bites from Ken
https://reverb.com/news/the-difficulties-of-innovating-guitar-makers-and-the-burden-of-nostalgia?_aid=newsletterint&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=7f4bac1784-rnContent_20161023_uk&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5889ed6702-7f4bac1784-61032241

I just finished reading this and it's one of the best "this kind of things" I've read in years. If you have the time, I can't recommend it enough.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on November 09, 2016, 08:42:05 PM
Reverb has some interesting articles,

I'm a function guy, Parker tech made it for me, the style is a bonus.
Life is too short to play boring guitars.

Alas I preach to the choir......more beer!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Noodler on November 19, 2016, 08:13:39 AM
Anyone know where Terry Atkins has ended up with the shut down of the U.S. factory?  I know some of the Parker purists didn't like many of the changes Terry instituted in the design, but I was always really impressed with his passion and true reverence for what Ken had created.  Terry really wanted to keep the guitars and the brand alive.  I wonder what those final days of the factory were like for him?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on November 19, 2016, 08:24:48 AM
Totally agree, Terry is awesome. He knows guitars, and he loved parkers.

Imho the forum would not have been nearly as useful without him,
and he also listened to feedback from us. I don't think he got the right support
 from usm and had really tight budgets to deal with.

But today I believe he's doing medical device work in Chicagoland.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Noodler on November 19, 2016, 08:47:10 AM
Interesting that Terry is no longer working in guitar production.  That's a real loss to the industry, but I guess its a sign of the times.

I certainly would love to see Parker reborn; if anything just so that their technology will live on in some new iteration of the guitars.

IMHO, where Parker failed was in marketing.  I told Terry many times that their problem was that guitarists just didn't really understand what made Parker guitars BETTER than the typical "also-ran" designs that almost every other manufacturer produces.  Parker didn't take advantage of the technology of the web to really show off what their guitars were about (they never even posted pictures of the backs of the guitars, but 3D rotation images would have been a huge improvement).  I know that my friends who have picked up my Parkers have always been amazed by their features and design.  After I help them pickup their jaws of the floor, I would point out:

The stability of the build from the carbon fiber (almost never needs major retuning)
The neck joint profile (made possible by the carbon fiber build)
The incredibly slim body and light weight of most of the models (made possible by carbon fiber)
The feel and playing ease of a carbon glass epoxy fretboard with super-hardened SS frets
The shallow break-over angle for the nut, allowing the entire string length to be utilized (adding to the "slinky and silky" bending feel)
A whammy bar system that was totally rethought to provide better tuning stability and feel

So, for me, it's really about the unique physical characteristics of the Parker Fly that I have not seen duplicated in any other guitar.  Electronics and pickup innovations show up on other guitars.  SS frets show up on other guitars.  Even carbon fiber shows up on a few rare models, but no manufacturer has put together the whole "package" like a Parker Fly.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Noodler on November 19, 2016, 10:48:31 AM
Have you guys seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MLqAdOUDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MLqAdOUDA)
< I can't recall how to post YouTube videos on this forum >

Something like this is what Parker should have had on their web site years ago.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: sybersitizen on November 19, 2016, 12:54:11 PM
Have you guys seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MLqAdOUDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MLqAdOUDA)

Pretty good overall, but ...

1. Refining occurred under Ken's ownership, about a year before the sale to USM.

2. Original Flys had no truss rods? I've never heard that before. Who here can confirm or disprove this? If it's true, when exactly were truss rods added?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Noodler on November 19, 2016, 02:16:36 PM
Have you guys seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MLqAdOUDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MLqAdOUDA)

Pretty good overall, but ...

1. Refining occurred under Ken's ownership, about a year before the sale to USM.

2. Original Flys had no truss rods? I've never heard that before. Who here can confirm or disprove this? If it's true, when exactly were truss rods added?

Yeah, he didn't quite get everything right in his presentation.  If you read through the comments on the YouTube page you'll see that he was corrected on a number of things.  I counted about 3 or 4 things that he had wrong.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on November 23, 2016, 06:16:27 PM
Original flys had a truss wire vs rod.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: sybersitizen on November 23, 2016, 06:30:53 PM
Original flys had a truss wire vs rod.

Yes indeed. Perhaps that's what he was talking about ... but anyone listening to his words would think he's saying they had nothing at all.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Nigel Tufnel on January 22, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
Have you guys seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MLqAdOUDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MLqAdOUDA)

Pretty good overall, but ...

1. Refining occurred under Ken's ownership, about a year before the sale to USM.

2. Original Flys had no truss rods? I've never heard that before. Who here can confirm or disprove this? If it's true, when exactly were truss rods added?


Yeah my '93 Artist prototype has a truss rod. I think the dude was referring to Ken's ORIGINAL pre-production design.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: marcwormjim on January 24, 2017, 01:32:56 PM
Tried signing up for the newsletter, only to be informed I've been signed up for...a while, with no news ever having been sent out. How bad is that?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on January 24, 2017, 05:17:24 PM
Tried signing up for the newsletter, only to be informed I've been signed up for...a while, with no news ever having been sent out. How bad is that?

And still the Parker Facebook gets updated (being updated by USM interns is my bet).

Belew did post to the page on January 10.

My skeptical question is.

If he does post to Facebook (and thus offhandedly acknowledges the Parker endorsement) are there possibly  new models in store, or is he still contractually obligated?

Dammit man! I want answers (or guitars).
 A refined refined Fly?
New Mojo Baby?
Custom shoppe?(haute couture a la Parker?)

 2017 is here........Speaking for myself, I hold little hope of ever seeing another Parker product line.
 I want to be proven wrong, I hope I'm proven wrong.

It's five o'clock somewhere.
Cheers!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: DoctorSin on January 25, 2017, 10:52:34 AM
I have heard voices that some Canadian company has bought Washburn/Parker ... Godin maybe ? It would be great news  - they make nice instruments .
Hard to beat in quality for the price ... It would be great news ...
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: marcwormjim on January 25, 2017, 04:41:41 PM
I've always wanted a Godin, but they haven't/hadn't had any 24-fret trem models for years. It'd be terrific if they were somehow involved with keeping the spirit of the Fly alive, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Nefarius on January 28, 2017, 12:38:05 AM
Godin would be awesome news indeed. Although right now any official "we're not dead (yet)" would be awesome news. ::)

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on January 28, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
Washburn had stuff at usm at  namm. Don't know if it's new. Probably not sold. But if Parker was sold, likely lots of legal stuff to deal with, so no news yet. I have a good feeling.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: marcwormjim on January 28, 2017, 03:04:21 PM
Me, too - In the one hand, I have a good feeling. But it appears my other hand will fill up with feces, first :(

PLEASE, CURRENT BRAND OWNERS, SAVE MY STINKY HAND!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: VagabondJack on February 08, 2017, 11:57:47 PM
I think the best thing we could all dream for is if Ken Parker somehow came back into the fold. Seems like he's more interested in his other project he has going on though.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on February 09, 2017, 06:22:12 PM
Although I agree it would be a great thing, KP has made it pretty clear he won't be doing mass production again. The fly is history to him.

He's got a great thing going with his arch tops and seems very happy with his current lifestyle. I would be too!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on February 10, 2017, 10:02:39 AM
Agreed Billy.  He ain't coming back.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on February 19, 2017, 10:27:10 AM
Godin would be awesome news indeed. Although right now any official "we're not dead (yet)" would be awesome news. ::)

Greetings...
Nef

I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: ZemanG2 on April 02, 2017, 08:26:19 PM
According to rumors JAM isn't supporting Parker. I checked the USMusicCorp site and there are new press releases for Parker, just a dead link. I can't find anywhere Parker stock is being sold or just the company name being up for grabs on the market.

I sadly fear lads, grab what you can while you can.  :'(

Or has anyone heard of anyone buying Parker from USMusic or JAM?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: JamieCrain on June 20, 2017, 11:46:28 PM
Bad news...http://www.parkerguitars.com

Only another year now.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: sybersitizen on June 21, 2017, 12:01:54 AM
Bad news...http://www.parkerguitars.com

I literally laughed out loud.

"Hey Steve, change the 7 to an 8. That'll hold 'em for another year."
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on June 21, 2017, 06:35:52 AM
Bad news...http://www.parkerguitars.com

I literally laughed out loud.

"Hey Steve, change the 7 to an 8. That'll hold 'em for another year."

Ha! That did bring a chuckle!

Seems to be the old maxim....
"Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me"

The only bright spot is the fact they keep the website up.

Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: PDF105# on June 21, 2017, 11:45:43 AM
What a totally f'xxxed up outfit. If I conducted business the way these guys do I'd be keelhauled. Thanks for nothing USMusic.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: JamieCrain on June 21, 2017, 05:47:24 PM
The optimist in me thinks that they will do a reveal at Winter NAMM in November, and officially release products in the new year.

Any longer and I won't be able to keep the GAS at bay and I'll have to go elsewhere...
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on June 22, 2017, 03:07:33 PM
The optimist in me thinks that they will do a reveal at Winter NAMM in November, and officially release products in the new year.

Any longer and I won't be able to keep the GAS at bay and I'll have to go elsewhere...

You might be right.  Maybe they were shooting for summer namm, realized it was in a few weeks, and updated the site for next year.  At least that's something.  Wish it wasn't so cryptic, all the same.

BTW, NAMM stands for Not Available, Maybe March.

Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Big Swifty on June 22, 2017, 07:22:48 PM
I aint holding my breath....

Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: sybersitizen on June 22, 2017, 07:43:07 PM
Just to keep all the facts in view, this is the only 'update' the company has provided in the 14 months since I started the thread:

(http://thesybersite.com/parker/parker-2018-message.jpg)

Absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: mmmmgtr on June 22, 2017, 10:01:51 PM
I'll take the optimistic side. I don't see any reason or upside for them to propagate the idea the Parker will be back if they already decided against it. If they truly have decided to move away from the brand why not just say so. I'm hoping that there is someone inside of US Music that truly is interested in bringing the brand back and they are just running into logistic / funding / whatever issues that are delaying what I hope to be a relaunch.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: sybersitizen on June 22, 2017, 10:21:59 PM
A delay, for whatever legitimate reason, could be excused - as long as real information of some kind is offered. The ch*ckensh*t part is the stupid dead silence from the company. If there's any kind of legitimate effort being made to revive the brand, the person in charge who authorized the change from '7' to '8' on the website home page - that's one ASCII character in 14 months! - could have also authorized a sentence or maybe two along the lines of 'Apologies to Parker enthusiasts. This has been more difficult than we anticipated.' But noooooo ...
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: ZemanG2 on June 25, 2017, 09:47:35 AM
2018?! Well guys at least there was some communication!
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: TinMachine on June 25, 2017, 12:26:34 PM
Just some interesting info to share. Jamm was going to sell the Parker brand name to someone I know. However they changed their minds and so it is still possible that Jamm may do something in the future. Also keep in mind that all the USA factory parts pieces machinery etc have been sold off.  So anything coming up would likely be import only
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on October 16, 2017, 09:05:42 PM
It's really sad to see all this.

The Parkers I own are much better than comparable competition. Too bad they weren't appreciated.

It looks like the same thing happened to Carvin. Perhaps it's a sign of the decline in guitar bands on top40.

Notes
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on October 17, 2017, 07:06:11 AM
It's really sad to see all this.

The Parkers I own are much better than comparable competition. Too bad they weren't appreciated.

It looks like the same thing happened to Carvin. Perhaps it's a sign of the decline in guitar bands on top40.

Notes

How many guitar based musicians like to think outside the box when it comes to their instruments and how they are made, how much they weigh, or how darn nice a lightweight guitar can be?
 Not many players or manufacturers it seems...traditional ways are hard to change.

  I still get compliments on how nice my Parkers are even from my non musician friends.

 Remember New models coming in 2018!or 2019! or 2020!?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jester700 on October 17, 2017, 05:59:30 PM
It's really sad to see all this.

The Parkers I own are much better than comparable competition. Too bad they weren't appreciated.

It looks like the same thing happened to Carvin. Perhaps it's a sign of the decline in guitar bands on top40.

Notes
Fortunately, Only Carvin's audio is going away, at least for now. The excellent guitars are still being made.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on October 17, 2017, 07:43:13 PM
The old Carvin shapes seem to be branded Kiesel now and a google search for Carvin turns up Kiesel. Did they sell or change their name?

I've never owned a Carvin, but they had a good reputation.

Notes

BTW, I got in the forum two days in a row now :D
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jester700 on October 17, 2017, 08:03:42 PM
Yeah, Kiesel is the brand Carvin's put on their guitars for the past couple years. It's the name of Carvin's founder. Same company.

I've never had a whole Carvin guitar, but I've bought a few necks to put on Ibanez bodies; high quality stuff.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jb63 on October 17, 2017, 09:22:48 PM
Wait? CARVIN is going out of business? Or just changing their name?
I feel really out of the loop now.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jester700 on October 18, 2017, 09:41:48 AM
2 years ago, Carvin split into 2 entities, but wasn't sold to anyone else - they just separated their guitar building from their audio business. KIESEL is the name used for guitar and bass building, and they are continuing business. CARVIN is the name used for the pro audio side - and they are going away. It's a shame, really. They were a good option in the lower end of the market - a lot like Peavey or Yamaha's club stuff, and usually a good value.

I hope the guitars stick around, but it's a tough market. My continuing rant - most guitarists always say they wanna be "different" - and then play guitar designs that came out 65 years ago - on amps designed not long after.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on October 21, 2017, 02:15:38 PM
It's good to hear Carvin and Kiesel are one and the same, but I wonder, why would they give up their good reputation by changing their name if they hadn't sold the company to someone else?

I have 2 sets of Carvin speakers, one passive, one active.

When I bought them, I was replacing a sub-woofer/satellite set. I had a friend who had the Carvins so I did an A/B test on my PA (panned mono) with the Carvins on one side, and alternately EON, Mackey, Samson, Peavey, and a couple of other brands. The Carvin's sounded better then all of them except for an EV (zx4 I think) that cost well over twice as much as the Carvins.

I bought the Carvin passives, and later when my PA amp got flaky (I have a spare and replaced then repaired it) I started thinking about having actives, so I would have 2 amps and if one crapped out the other would save the gig.

Luckily the day the PA Amp got flaky (lots of distortion) I was at my weekly gig for I think our 7th or 8th year, so the customers who are our extended 'family' didn't mind. They were concerned about our gear, not our performance. When I got home I isolated the problem to be the amp, and put the spare in.

Then I ordered the actives. Now I have 2 PA speakers and 2 PA amps.

There is not quite as much bass in the Carvins as my old subwoofer (60 lbs in the plywood cabinet) but the midranges are much cleaner. Plus they are 32 pounds each, which is much easier to lug and tote. So I cranked up the bass response of the BBE Sonic Maximizer and it's close enough for the public on the bottom end, and noticeably better in the mids.

Still concerned about the name change for the guitars. Why give up a reputation that has such a long history?

Notes
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: jester700 on October 21, 2017, 06:19:14 PM
Good question, but all I have is what's on Wiki, and apparently it's still in the family. Maybe it has to do with deciding to sell internationally? Easier to form a new company for that? Maybe there was family differences of opinion and different folks went to different companies?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: billy on October 21, 2017, 09:41:07 PM
Same roots but not the same. I think one of the Kiesel boys took over and had a vision for making extended range styles of guitars with more customization, ala .strandberg*. Probably figured the carvin brand didn’t fit that vision, and it might have been losing money, or made a nice write off while building the new brand. Speculation for the “why” on my part only.

Decent stuff imho. Had an x100b halfstack in early 90s that sounded great. Sad to see it close.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: sybersitizen on November 28, 2018, 12:52:45 AM
Just to keep all the facts in view, this is the only 'update' the company has provided in the 14 months since I started the thread:

(http://thesybersite.com/parker/parker-2018-message.jpg)

Absolutely ridiculous.

We're now at 31 months since the start of the thread. There's still one month left in 2018.

Who wants to bet that ...

1. The brand gets revived in the next month?

2. The 8 (which used to be a 7) gets changed to a 9?

3. There's nobody being paid to even touch the Parker website anymore?
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: JamieCrain on November 28, 2018, 04:11:10 AM
Bet? No. Hope? Yes.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Mr303 on November 28, 2018, 06:50:39 AM
Parker lives!....in name only.

Why the pretense?
Why keep the website BS?
 Why do the Facebook thing?
Obviously the product line is dead as a door nail, it’s just that nobody will officially bury it.

Fool me once shame on you,  Fool me twice (for over a year now) shame on me.

Hold those Parker’s close....they’re getting to be rare birds.

It would be nice to see something new but I don’t see it happening.
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: Notes_Norton on December 03, 2018, 07:14:51 PM
Sadly, if anything happens to by beloved Parker, I won't be able to get another brand-new one :(

It's too bad the rest of the world didn't see what I saw in them.

Insights and incites by Notes
Title: Re: The rebirth of Parker Guitars?
Post by: sybersitizen on January 31, 2019, 09:39:16 AM
Who wants to bet that ...

There's nobody being paid to even touch the Parker website anymore?

Me.

One month into 2019, the website message still says 'The Parker guitar line up is currently being updated for re-release in 2018.'

According to Miracle Max, it's time to go through Parker's clothes and look for loose change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbE8E1ez97M